"Possibly doctored" cards at the National.....

[drcy]

You need dark to use a blacklight. The National is an open bright place.

[barrysloate]

The grading services have so influenced this hobby that even if you have a perfectly good unaltered and original raw card, you simply can't sell it without offering a deep discount. You are forced to get it graded whether you want to or not. The perception would be that it is altered and was rejected.

The graders have too much power. Power to the people!

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

The grading services have so influenced this hobby that even if you have a perfectly good unaltered and original raw card, you simply can't sell it without offering a deep discount. You are forced to get it graded whether you want to or not. The perception would be that it is altered and was rejected.

The graders have too much power. Power to the people!

agreed!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

The grading services have so influenced this hobby that even if you have a perfectly good unaltered and original raw card, you simply can't sell it without offering a deep discount. You are forced to get it graded whether you want to or not. The perception would be that it is altered and was rejected.

The graders have too much power. Power to the people!

Also why get a raw card with just at best recourse against the dealer if there is some time of warranty etc versus having a dealer and PSA guarantee/warranty

why not have a second option. Yeah maybe in the end get nothing but at least there are two chances instead of one. PSA has paid people for mistakes in grading. In the situations they have paid, i doubt the seller would of paid on them all if PSA didnt.

[BeanTown]

I bought a raw Kalamazoo Bat card from a dealer at the 2006 National. He garunteed me it would grade as it had a slant cut. PSA turned it down saying it had been trimmed. I took it back to the dealer who promptly walked to the PSA booth and told them that they were all hand cut at the factory. They said, oh ok... bring it back and we will slab it. It recieved a 3 grade and everyone left happy.

[BigBeerGut]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

The grading services have so influenced this hobby that even if you have a perfectly good unaltered and original raw card, you simply can't sell it without offering a deep discount. You are forced to get it graded whether you want to or not. The perception would be that it is altered and was rejected.

The graders have too much power. Power to the people!

Who gave the power to the TPGs? The people. Card community buys the product blindly resulting in power shift to where it now stands.

Are MLB players overpaid? Millions to play a game but NOT overpaid because the fans buy the product

"Mike" drop

[Leon]

Originally Posted by BigBeerGut

Who gave the power to the TPGs? The people. Card community buys the product blindly resulting in power shift to where it now stands.

Are MLB players overpaid? Millions to play a game but NOT overpaid because the fans buy the product

"Mike" drop

They get paid millions because the club owners make even more off of them. The TPGs thrive, regardless of their abilities, because people make money off of them. The answer to seemingly crazy things is usually; money. I am not saying it's necessarily bad as I am a capitalist too.

[Gnep31]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

The grading services have so influenced this hobby that even if you have a perfectly good unaltered and original raw card, you simply can't sell it without offering a deep discount. You are forced to get it graded whether you want to or not. The perception would be that it is altered and was rejected.

The graders have too much power. Power to the people!

I 100% agree!

I've never bought a graded card nor will I ever. I'm a collector not an investor and this is my hobby, so I have no need for over priced/graded cards to put in my portfolio.

In my opinion graded cards have made it more difficult for set builders like myself to complete sets with nice, ungraded cards. How will I ever find a decent condition 52 Mantle, which is ungraded, to finish the set? Not likely to happen and I believe graded cards have had a negative impact on the hobby for collectors.

[RedsFan1941]

Originally Posted by drcy

You need dark to use a blacklight. The National is an open bright place.

except around Gizmo

[Den*nis O*Brien]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

except around Gizmo

I am surprised to see that name resurface!! Years ago I met him at the waffle bar in a motel while the expressway was closed from snow & Ice. The encounter was in Mendota Illinois. He was very displeased with the treatment he was receiving on Net 54 Baseball Forum. He was the all caps rant guy if I remember correctly.