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1. I wasn't buying from or consigning to PWCC in the first place. | 166 | 34.87% | |
I will no longer buy from/consign to PWCC. | 163 | 34.24% | |
I will continue to buy from/consign to PWCC. | 78 | 16.39% | |
I haven't decided | 69 | 14.50% | |
Voters: 476. You may not vote on this poll |
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Kenny, how do ad hominem attacks advance your argument?
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They don't. But if you read the posts, I think you might come to the same conclusion.
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This reminds me of the news headline we have all seen over and over again....
“Lots of citizens announce they are preparing to move out of the country if _______ elected President”. Yeah sure. And you know how many of them follow through and move out of the country? None of them. Huge chasm between the chest thumping of what people say they are going to do and what people eventually end up doing. |
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Doesn’t bother me one way or the other. The old addage of buy the card not the holder applies.
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I for one love the fact that folks will boycott certain sellers. More goodies for me. Show some confidence in your abilities to detect "off" cards. Damn. I've been spotting doctored cards in TPGs for years. Many years before this "storm". I will say that SGC has always been very good at spotting "off" cards. So have I. Buy the card, not the holder. Are there any confident collectors left? Peace, Mike Last edited by vthobby; 06-12-2019 at 09:26 PM. |
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Maybe I’m a broken down pathetic beyond the pale cynic, but Im guessing there are probably people out there crapping all over PWCC hoping that the nonstop negative publicity has the effect of suppressing interest (and sale prices) in upcoming auctions.
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maybe
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It's your money man...Have at it.
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I love dining out and buying Baseball cards.
LA County Health Dept. allows a tolerable amount of rat urine to be on plates in restaurants before closing them down. I still eat out. PWCC is auctioning over 17,000 cards in their current action. If 17 of those cards have been altered and gotten by the TPGs that is only 1/10th of 1 percent. I'll take my chances and bid. Like I said I love BB cards and dining out. |
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I think anyone who reads my posts knows I was done with PWCC a long time ago.
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Some people just refuse to believe in anything they didn’t see happen no matter what the evidence. |
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Scott,
Years ago I remember reading in the LA Times that Lasorda's Italian Restaurant, in Pasadena, on Fairoaks was shut down for 2 weeks because the rat urine exceeded the allowable levels. I was shocked that there isn't "zero tolerance". |
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I basically stopped activities with PWCC when the 2016 "buyers group" / shilling issues came to my attention and I received corroboration of what was being done by PWCC.
I can't be 100% sure that I have not purchased anything from them since that time without checking my records, but I am sure I haven't bought anything significant from them. As for consigning, my last consignment was probably in 2014. Last edited by 70ToppsFanatic; 06-12-2019 at 10:22 PM. |
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There is no statute on "Rat Urine" there are rules about some things found IN rat urine (Leptospirosis etc.) and I'll admit I don't know what levels are "acceptable" but it's entirely possible that "allowable levels" are zero in the case of dangerous pathogens that may be found in rat urine and that's just the wording they use. I don't really feel like battering my way through CA restaurant health code to find out, but having worked in kitchens I assure you there is no test for rat urine. It's a myth that gets told about soda cans too.
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Some collect cards. Some collect slabs. Pwcc is a great source for slabs. If that's what you're into, it makes perfect sense to continue doing business with them. I get it.
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This message is to recognize that Peter Spaeth has contributed mightily to this thread...more than any human should be expected to contribute.
He is obviously very passionate about the subject and I do hope that he gets some resolution for his efforts. That's Peter 46 posts - everyone else - 145. Totals shared by someone who, evidently, has nothing better to do...which is fairly pathetic.
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The way I see it is that PWCC has been knowingly selling cards to a known card doctor & then reselling the doctored cards for him, many times over. Somehow PSA is unable to catch this doctoring.
There are people here who could care less. Do I have that right? |
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Also, I feel there is some discrepancy in which Moser's altered cards were actually consigned by him directly, or if they were cards won by Moser at the direction of PWCC to be resold just 3 months later
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Except you mean couldn't care less
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I have never consigned anything to PWCC and looking back at my records for the last 4 years, I see that I have only bought from PWCC 4 times in that span. I'm strictly a Mantle, Post cereal collector so there aren't a whole lot of items that I'm interested in.
But, I will not be buying from PWCC anymore. In fact I started yesterday. PWCC had a Mantle item I was interested in and had in my watch list. It ended at a price slightly less than what I would have put in for my maximum. PWCC didn't lose much by me not bidding and I know boycotting them won't have much affect on them. But, based on the email Peter provided regarding Brent's acknowledgment of Moser and what Moser does to cards plus Brent's attempt to redefine alterations in order to whitewash his activities, my opinion is that Brent is dishonest and I refuse to do business with people that I have reason to believe are dishonest.
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I just hope that people here and at the PSA forum who choose to continue buying from PWCC don't come back in the future to complain that they were cheated, scammed or shilled by PWCC or a card they won from PWCC turns out to be deceptively described/identified.
But, of course, I know will happen. Last edited by drcy; 06-13-2019 at 04:49 PM. |
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Enough with blaming PWCC....
The grading companies are the ones who put these trimmed/altered cards back on the street worth several times more.
The grading companies are who we trust and pay money to accurately grade our cards. PSA should be carrying all the blame here. They have consistently placed these cards into their holders, yet all I'm seeing from PSA is dodging questions and diverting to how they have been the catalyst for eliminating fraud in our hobby. PSA response has been dog shit! I am convinced there is a shady grader who has been given "envelopes" to grade some of these altered cards. There really cannot be any other exception. But to constantly barrage PWCC is ridiculous! |
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Anybody here remember the Duke Lacrosse case? Those young men were tried and convicted in the court of public opinion by the media and everyone else before they even went to trial. They were vile, filthy, disgusting, racist animals that raped a young black girl. Anybody remember that outcome of that case? If so, please help me out. Refresh my memory if you will. Last edited by vintagetoppsguy; 06-15-2019 at 01:22 PM. |
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Certainly true that social desirability effects can significantly sway poll results, but I can attest that in the case of the example you raised, much of it comes down to ability (not that I ever threatened to leave the country if a certain election didn't turn out as I'd hoped, but right after one particular election, and with no vacation plans, my wife and I did go to the trouble of getting passports for all of our kids, including a toddler, and looking for jobs and houses in New Zealand; it just turned out we didn't get any of the jobs that would have allowed us to buy any of the houses, or we'd be there now). Anyway, anyone should be capable of not consigning to or buying from a particular AH. |
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Despite the mob mentality that has taken over this site against PWCC long before this scandal hit, I trust that when most members read your posts and mine it will be clear who lacks intelligence, even if they disagree with my opinion on this issue.
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There is no mob mentality. There are people who are fed up with fraud. Big difference. To try to demean those people by mischaracterizing them as a mob is only to demean yourself. As for Kenny, to suggest he lacks intelligence is beneath you, Jesse.
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As for Kenny I have rarely encountered intelligent people who need to resort to calling another person a noron over a difference of opinion. He may be a genius for all I know I don't remember reading any post from him before today. But from this limited sample size I stand by my assessment.
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The problem for me is no matter what corner of the hobby I turn to to buy stuff there's fraud. I've been burned buying at shows, in online auctions, at the National, and from multiple ebay sellers. Fraud in this hobby is EVERYWHERE. It's too easy, and the odds of actually getting caught and going to jail are slim.
What I wonder is how you can be a long time member of this forum, having seen all the fraud over the years with autographs, shill bidding, etc. and STILL participate in it if you're as upset with this latest episode as you claim to be? What's it going to take to finally turn you away? I don't mean this to sound snarky, but, seriously, if this stuff upset me like it seems to upset many of you, I'd go collect barbed wire - people do, you know. Here's a fun exercise for anyone going to the National this year. Ask for a receipt when you buy something. You'd think something that costs $1000 would at least warrant a receipt, wouldn't you? The answer tells you all you need to know about this hobby. |
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The problem is saying nothing has led us to this point in the hobby. People need to be loud and hopefully get rid of some of the scum in the hobby. I honestly can't figure out how anyone that loves the hobby can't be happy about having less fraud, unless they are part of it. As for the poll, I have been avoiding anything PWCC for many many years and see no reason to change now. |
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ROTFL. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree and hopefully never interact again. At this point that would probably be best.
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