My exceptional PWCC pickup.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

A more relevant analogy would be what if a bank said they'd stop accepting deposits from money launderers, drug dealers, etc. Maybe they knew where the money was coming from, maybe they suspected but didn't ask any questions, or maybe they had no idea. But enough people on the banking forums were complaining, so they put out a statement saying they will work to prevent such deposits in the future.

Uh huh. So how does the bank know who to stop accepting deposits from in your example unless it knows they're money launderers and drug dealers? And why did it ever take their deposits? Anyhow, read Jeff's post about evidence he has seen.

PS read the words. It doesn't say suspected, it says proven track record. "PWCC will officially cease working with any individual who has a proven track record of consistently hurting trust in the marketplace, the brand of PWCC, or the reputations of the grading companies upon which our market is based."

PPS if they're clean, why not release the identity of all the cards from such people they have sold in the past, instead of leaving it to the collectors to figure it out.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Uh huh. So how does the bank know who to stop accepting deposits from in your example unless it knows they're money launderers and drug dealers? And why did it ever take their deposits? Anyhow, read Jeff's post about evidence he has seen.

PS read the words. It doesn't say suspected, it says proven track record . "PWCC will officially cease working with any individual who has a proven track record of consistently hurting trust in the marketplace, the brand of PWCC, or the reputations of the grading companies upon which our market is based."

Well some of these guys are suspected drug dealers or money launderers. So they haven't been convicted of anything. And accepting their deposits isn't a crime. What legal justification is there for the bank to turn away their deposit? What if a drug dealer's grandmother gives him 100 bucks for his birthday? Can he deposit that check but not the drug money? How do you determine which is which?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Well some of these guys are suspected drug dealers or money launderers. So they haven't been convicted of anything. And accepting their deposits isn't a crime. What legal justification is there for the bank to turn away their deposit? What if a drug dealer's grandmother gives him 100 bucks for his birthday? Can he deposit that check but not the drug money? How do you determine which is which?

I honestly don't follow the relevance of all this. Does a private company PWCC need a legal justification to turn away a consignment? I thought we were discussing the import of their decision to do just that with people they say have a proven track record. Unless that language was a BS smokescreen and they actually aren't stopping doing business with anyone because the track record hasn't been proven? Interesting angle, I hadn't considered that. But, I wouldn't put it past them I suppose.

[calvindog]

The Net 54 grand jury is neck and neck here. I wonder what will happen?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

The Net 54 grand jury is neck and neck here. I wonder what will happen?

Can you serve on a grand jury if you have a conflict?

[Goudey77]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Can you serve on a grand jury if you have a conflict?

No he cannot. Jefferey read too much fake news

[Goudey77]

I think this is all a conspiracy to crap on my exceptional card that I was able to pick up. This conspiracy goes years back and Is too elaborate. I don’t buy anything anyone is saying.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Goudey77

No he cannot. Jefferey read too much fake news

Like Brent’s emails?

[JollyElm]

But who here is Lee J. Cobb and who is Henry Fonda??

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I honestly don't follow the relevance of all this. Does a private company PWCC need a legal justification to turn away a consignment? I thought we were discussing the import of their decision to do just that with people they say have a proven track record. Unless that language was a BS smokescreen and they actually aren't stopping doing business with anyone because the track record hasn't been proven? Interesting angle, I hadn't considered that. But, I wouldn't put it past them I suppose.

I'm not a lawyer, but what if they turn away a consignment and that person alleges discrimination? What if they were falsely accused of being a card doctor by an ex business partner determined to see them fail? Who is responsible for putting names on this can't submit list? Is there an appeal process? In theory it sounds great. Just don't accept submissions from known card doctors. In practice I don't think it's that simple.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I'm not a lawyer, but what if they turn away a consignment and that person alleges discrimination? What if they were falsely accused of being a card doctor by an ex business partner determined to see them fail? Who is responsible for putting names on this can't submit list? Is there an appeal process? In theory it sounds great. Just don't accept submissions from known card doctors. In practice I don't think it's that simple.

Double post.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I'm not a lawyer, but what if they turn away a consignment and that person alleges discrimination? What if they were falsely accused of being a card doctor by an ex business partner determined to see them fail? Who is responsible for putting names on this can't submit list? Is there an appeal process? In theory it sounds great. Just don't accept submissions from known card doctors. In practice I don't think it's that simple.

My head may explode from all these hypotheticals. Look, the bottom line is that for the most part the major card doctors are well known to the major sellers in the hobby and the grading services and many of the collectors. And to the FBI, I would add. It's a close-knit community going back to the pre-internet show days and insiders know. There may be some who have flown under the radar but for the most part, they haven't.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Uh huh. So how does the bank know who to stop accepting deposits from in your example unless it knows they're money launderers and drug dealers? And why did it ever take their deposits? Anyhow, read Jeff's post about evidence he has seen.

PS read the words. It doesn't say suspected, it says proven track record. "PWCC will officially cease working with any individual who has a proven track record of consistently hurting trust in the marketplace, the brand of PWCC, or the reputations of the grading companies upon which our market is based."

PPS if they're clean, why not release the identity of all the cards from such people they have sold in the past, instead of leaving it to the collectors to figure it out.

Because Peter, there are way too many cards to identify. Did you see the work on PSA 1 to a PSA 4- 48 leaf Dimaggio just posted in BO ? And the 93 basketball trim jobs yesterday? It is a beautiful conservation job! PWCC is so intertwined by turning a blind eye to known card doctors especially guys like Gary Moser. This has been happening for decades. Some just don't want to see it, that's OK And there is no proof right now against PSA other than being blithering idiots. That wouldn't surprise me if they are in on the gag?

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Because Peter, there are way too many cards to identify. Did you see the work on PSA 1 to a PSA 4- 48 leaf Dimaggio just posted in BO ? And the 93 basketball trim jobs yesterday? It is a beautiful conservation job! PWCC is so enter twined by turning a blind eye to known card doctors especially guys like Gary Moser. This has been happening for decades. Some just don't want to see it, that's OK And there is no proof right now against PSA other than being blithering idiots. That wouldn't surprise me if they are in on the gag?

Using the phrase enter twined and calling another a blithering idiot says more about your intelligence than it does about theirs.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Using the phrase enter twined and calling another a blithering idiot says more about your intelligence than it does about theirs.

for once we agree, lol

[Republicaninmass]

Dont forget you just so happen to be from Oregon.

Let the conspiracies build!


Sure PSA graders on the take, Mosers cards must go to that grader every time out of thousands of cards. Maybe puts a smiley face on the box, or slides a ben Franklin in the card saver.


This is one of the most ridiculous conspiracies I've seen posted a bit PSA. Multi million dollar public company, not noticing an hourly employee pass one guys bad cards

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Dont forget you just so happen to be from Oregon.

Let the conspiracies build!


Sure PSA graders on the take, Mosers cards must go to that grader every time out of thousands of cards. Maybe puts a smiley face on the box, or slides a ben Franklin in the card saver.


This is one of the most ridiculous conspiracies I've seen posted a bit PSA. Multi million dollar public company, not noticing an hourly employee pass one guys bad cards

It's not one guys bad cards, it is several peoples bad cards.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

And there is no proof right now against PSA other than being blithering idiots. That wouldn't surprise me if they are in on the gag?

I've said that for years. I'll even say it once more for record. There are "dirty" graders at PSA that knowingly grade altered cards in exchange for money under the table. And if PSA wants to go after me for saying that, that's fine. But part of the discovery process (correct me, Peter, if I'm not using that term correctly ) would include finding out who the grader(s) is by the serial numbers of the known doctored cards. I'm pretty sure PSA wants to keep that hush hush.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I've said that for years. I'll even say it once more for record. There are "dirty" graders at PSA that knowingly grade altered cards in exchange for money under the table. And if PSA wants to go after me for saying that, that's fine. But part of the discovery process (correct me, Peter, if I'm not using that term correctly ) would include finding out who the grader(s) is by the serial numbers of the known doctored cards. I'm pretty sure PSA wants to keep that hush hush.

If you're right about that -- and I don't believe it but I get why people would -- THAT would be a game changer. I think of the Fitzgerald line about Arnold Rothstein (the gambler who fixed the 1919 WS) playing with the faith of 50 million people or something like that.

[frankbmd]

If anybody gets a ruptured spleen as a result of this ongoing controversy, I accept most insurance or clean cold cash.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

If anybody gets a ruptured spleen in this ongoing controversy, I accept most insurance or clean cold cash.

Can you perform an egoectomy?

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Can you perform an egoectomy?

Reimbursement for esophagectomies is more profitable.

Swallow that.