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Old 05-11-2019, 07:42 PM
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Martin I see you joined relatively recently. The cynical attitude some of us have towards PWCC has many years of context with which you may not be familiar unless you've been reading the site that long.
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Old 05-11-2019, 07:46 PM
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Thank God for Pwcc...If it weren’t for them there would be no nice cards in this world.
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Old 05-11-2019, 07:52 PM
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Thank God for Pwcc...If it weren’t for them there would be no nice cards in this world.
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Old 05-11-2019, 07:58 PM
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Martin I see you joined relatively recently. The cynical attitude some of us have towards PWCC has many years of context with which you may not be familiar unless you've been reading the site that long.
Thanks Peter. I always respect the opinions of everyone. Like mentioned already I wanted to say something positive here. For what I assume is most likely majority middle aged veteran collectors here on Net54 I’m surprised by the “Twitter” like divisive attitude that you see with modern social culture. I can host a TedTalk Net54 episode out of the drama here
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Old 05-11-2019, 08:00 PM
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So why is it only a 2.5?
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Old 05-11-2019, 08:10 PM
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So why is it only a 2.5?
Scocs, that is the beauty of “buying the card and not the holder”.
Sometimes there are anomalies that none of us can decipher. In fact i’d pay good money to have a PSA grader sit down with me and explain these scenarios.
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Old 05-11-2019, 08:14 PM
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I am sure it has a surface wrinkle somewhere. PWCC's scans/pics don't make wrinkles evident sometimes -- I know someone who has an amazing example of this but he hasn't posted it.
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I wonder if Purple Label would sticker it also...
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Scocs, that is the beauty of “buying the card and not the holder”.
Sometimes there are anomalies that none of us can decipher. In fact i’d pay good money to have a PSA grader sit down with me and explain these scenarios.

I also don't understand why it's only a 2.5 it looks to be in amazing condition!
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I went to the specific eBay listing. Here is the reason for the (much) lower grade:

“exceedingly light, horizontal front surface wrinkle keeps from grading higher.”

That must be some wrinkle that I still couldn’t see on their nice large eBay scans.

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Old 05-11-2019, 08:30 PM
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I went to the specific eBay listing. Here is the reason for the (much) lower grade:

“exceedingly light, horizontal front surface wrinkle keeps from grading higher.”

That must be some wrinkle that I still couldn’t see on their nice large eBay scans.
I can confirm it’s only visible under a certain angle and I’d guess impossible to pick up on a scan or photo. Still... not sure it would justify a 2.5. But I’ll take it all day.
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So why is it only a 2.5?
A light surface wrinkle. PSA is going nuts downgrading due to any slight imperfections these days.
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Old 05-12-2019, 02:17 PM
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Unless the surface wrinkle ain’t so little
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Some surface wrinkles are more exceptional than others.
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Old 05-12-2019, 02:55 PM
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Some surface wrinkles are more exceptional than others.
Bingo! This ones got the variety that’s impossible to pickup on a scan or photo. Thank god for the sticker that told me so. thanks for the laughs Frank
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Old 05-11-2019, 08:02 PM
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Thanks Peter. I always respect the opinions of everyone. Like mentioned already I wanted to say something positive here. For what I assume is most likely majority middle aged veteran collectors here on Net54 I’m surprised by the “Twitter” like divisive attitude that you see with modern social culture. I can host a TedTalk Net54 episode out of the drama here
PWCC is a very divisive subject, no question. I don't find the forum in general particularly divisive but I guess as a lawyer my tolerance is pretty high and sensitivity low.
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Thanks Peter. I always respect the opinions of everyone. Like mentioned already I wanted to say something positive here. For what I assume is most likely majority middle aged veteran collectors here on Net54 I’m surprised by the “Twitter” like divisive attitude that you see with modern social culture. I can host a TedTalk Net54 episode out of the drama here
I think Frank brings up the median age to middle age on the boards otherwise we are all youngins'.

I kid Frank I kid!!!
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I was the underbidder on that card. It is simply as nice of a Rube as you will find. Very high eye appeal. Very nice pickup!
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I was the underbidder on that card. It is simply as nice of a Rube as you will find. Very high eye appeal. Very nice pickup!
Thanks. The interesting part of this is that neither of us probably cared about comparable grade pricing. Believe me I had analyzed VCP of this card. I threw it out the window and bought the card based on my own valuation. Who knew we were so similar in our guess. In this case two educated Net54 guys let the card and not the sticker do the influencing.

Frank I’d love to see your example. I’m happy you picked up a nicer copy.
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I can now confirm that the exceptional sticker on the OP’s card more than doubles the PWCC market value. I recently purchased a similar T206 Waddell Portrait in a PSA 3.5 holder for a little more than half of the exceptionally stickered card.

I guess I’m the fool, as I don’t have a sticker to admire. Oh well, live and learn.
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I can now confirm that the exceptional sticker on the OP’s card more than doubles the PWCC market value. I recently purchased a similar T206 Waddell Portrait in a PSA 3.5 holder for a little more than half of the exceptionally stickered card.

I guess I’m the fool, as I don’t have a sticker to admire. Oh well, live and learn.
I wish I had the sticker
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