PWCC listing of 1952 Mantle PSA 4.5 appears to be pressed

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A question raised on Blowout is, if the card was consigned to Heritage raw (as the guy who had seen the raw card thinks or knows), and it appeared in Heritage in a PSA 4.5 with the corner pressed, where was the work done?

The OP in the BO thread maybe better qualified to answer your question. He mentioned "thinking" the family sent this card off to HA.


Based on what the OP mentions, it seems most likely that if this family did actually consign this card and the other 52 Topps cards directly to HA, the cards would indeed have been raw. If the family was offering this card for sale raw, it is unlikely they had it graded themselves before consigning....they probably would have already had it graded themselves if they were aware of the best way to sell a card of this nature (graded not raw). Since the family did not seem too keen on the interworking's of the high end card market, it seems unlikely they would be responsible for any restoration either much less the grading of the card.

In another post in the BO thread, the cards with serial #s on either side of this original Mantle submission were other 52 Mantles that were sold via HA and a 52 Mays PSA 8. Based on the serial numbers close to this cards, it appears that this Mantle was submitted with other cards sold by HA and not by the family that owned the card.


However, the family could have sold everything raw to someone else who mentioned to the family that their plan was to consign everything to HA.

Unless the OP can provide more details, we will likely never know the early chain of ownership of this card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

The OP in the BO thread maybe better qualified to answer your question. He mentioned "thinking" the family sent this card off to HA.


Based on what the OP mentions, it seems most likely that if this family did actually consign this card and the other 52 Topps cards directly to HA, the cards would indeed have been raw. If the family was offering this card for sale raw, it is unlikely they had it graded themselves before consigning....they probably would have already had it graded themselves if they were aware of the best way to sell a card of this nature (graded not raw). Since the family did not seem too keen on the interworking's of the high end card market, it seems unlikely they would be responsible for any restoration either much less the grading of the card.

In another post in the BO thread, the cards with serial #s on either side of this original Mantle submission were other 52 Mantles that were sold via HA and a 52 Mays PSA 8. Based on the serial numbers close to this cards, it appears that this Mantle was submitted with other cards sold by HA and not by the family that owned the card.


However, the family could have sold everything raw to someone else who mentioned to the family that their plan was to consign everything to HA.

Unless the OP can provide more details, we will likely never know the early chain of ownership of this card.

Yeah, not proof beyond a doubt, but more than enough to raise an eyebrow.

[leaflover]

Wouldn't the old screw-down holders account for some of the pressed down looking corners?

[swarmee]

Yes, and those routinely get the Altered Stock designation from PSA that would leave them as returned ungraded or Authentic Altered slabbed.

[savedfrommyspokes]

The second cert #42775199 for this Mantle has several cards close to it that have cert #s that are not in the database....assuming that the cards close to this 52 Mantle were submitted together, quite a submission for someone. One can only wonder why so many cert #s are missing from the database surrounding the cert #s of multiple other high-end cards, including one that now has some documented "restorations".

42775199
Year 1951
Brand BOWMAN
Card Number 7
Player GIL HODGES
Grade MINT 9
3/13/2019 $2,740.00 eBay 352608451966

42775196
Year 1951
Brand BOWMAN
Card Number 305
Player WILLIE MAYS
Grade VG-EX 4
3/13/2019 $3,000.00 eBay 352608453494

Certification Number 42775195
Year 1951
Brand BOWMAN
Card Number 253
Player MICKEY MANTLE
Grade EX 5
4/9/2019 $20,177.77 eBay 352630838839

Certification Number 42775193
Year 1949
Brand BOWMAN
Card Number 224
Player SATCHELL PAIGE
Grade EX-MT 6
4/9/2019 $2,425.00 eBay 352630834050

Certification Number 42775192
Year 1948
Brand LEAF
Card Number 34
Player SAMMY BAUGH
Grade NM 7
3/24/2019 $4,605.55 eBay 401729596471

Cert #s ending in 194, 197, 198, 200, 202, 204-209 do not show up in the database.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Not sure if this is the same Mays card from the list above or not, but they look close. If they are indeed the same, the stains on the back are gone on the newly encased card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Was the first Mays sold through Heritage?