"RESTORED" Wagner - how should we feel about this as collectors?

[Touch'EmAll]

Could we get one true beater, cut it up into tiny bits, then “restore” each bit to now have, say, a dozen authentic cards?

[oldjudge]

In answer to the original question, I think we should feel happy for someone who got a card that he obviously really wanted. If it is not something that we would like (I really don't like the appearance of the card, but I am not against restoration) then we should not buy similar cards. However, we should always be happy for passionate collectors adding to their collections.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

In answer to the original question, I think we should feel happy for someone who got a card that he obviously really wanted. If it is not something that we would like (I really don't like the appearance of the card, but I am not against restoration) then we should not buy similar cards. However, we should always be happy for passionate collectors adding to their collections.

+1

To each his own, which is what collecting is all about.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

Could we get one true beater, cut it up into tiny bits, then “restore” each bit to now have, say, a dozen authentic cards?

i think this gets to be cost prohibitive?

[mrvster]

not really! spring $400 k for a psa 1 .....the spend 20 k per card to add other T206 cardboard....."create" 12 cards " frankenwagners" sell 12 frankenwagners like the memory lane ...... be on easy street

cost:

$400,000.00 original + $20,000(restoration fee) (12)=

$640,000 K total cost

sell 12 "franken-wagners" @ =$420,000.00 (12)= $5,040,000.00

$5,040,000.00 revenue

$5,040,000.00 (revenue) - $640,000.00 (cost)= $4,400,000.00


4.2 million dollar profit from one original


DEFINITELY COST EFFECTIVE

[mrvster]

definitely happy for the guy who won it! he must be very wealthy to drop almost a half million on a "re creation"

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by mrvster

not really! spring $400 k for a psa 1 .....the spend 20 k per card to add other T206 cardboard....."create" 12 cards " frankenwagners" sell 12 frankenwagners like the memory lane ...... be on easy street

cost:

$400,000.00 original + $20,000(restoration fee) (12)=

$640,000 K total cost

sell 12 "franken-wagners" @ =$420,000.00 (12)= $5,040,000.00

$5,040,000.00 revenue

$5,040,000.00 (revenue) - $640,000.00 (cost)= $4,400,000.00


4.2 million dollar profit from one original


DEFINITELY COST EFFECTIVE

there you have it...a career for someone who wants one!!!!!!

[mrvster]

hahaha!!!

the t206 auto forger is probably working on this now!

Hell......topps should buy a wagner and make "piece of history cards"

put 1/32 of a wagner on each insert(like a bat card) sell $20,000 each!

32 cards X 20,000k per insert = $640,000

beater $250k- $400 k

make a quarter million dollar profit

[mrvster]

sale of this "creation " will definitely set an ugly precedent.......




cars, art, I get......maybe even coins stretching it!



but stamps, paper currency and especially sports cards HELL NO!

[mrvster]

at what percentage of a restored card original cardboard is needed to consider it original???

1/32 nd???( 3.125%)..........1/10 th???(10 %)......1/5 th????(20 %).....

1/2 ???(50 %)

[rats60]

Originally Posted by mrvster

hahaha!!!

the t206 auto forger is probably working on this now!

Hell......topps should buy a wagner and make "piece of history cards"

put 1/32 of a wagner on each insert(like a bat card) sell $20,000 each!

32 cards X 20,000k per insert = $640,000

beater $250k- $400 k

make a quarter million dollar profit

But what if someone get the piece that wasn't part of the original Wagner, but part of the restoration? Will Topps designated that like they do game-used jersey piece vs. event-worn jersey piece?

[mrvster]

lol.....no.....saying topps buy a 100% original and chop it up(not a franken one)

[GasHouseGang]

Originally Posted by mrvster

hahaha!!!

the t206 auto forger is probably working on this now!

Hell......topps should buy a wagner and make "piece of history cards"

put 1/32 of a wagner on each insert(like a bat card) sell $20,000 each!

32 cards X 20,000k per insert = $640,000

beater $250k- $400 k

make a quarter million dollar profit

AND you'd be helping the market for all those that still own a real Wagner by reducing the quantity available. Win, win!

[C-mack]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

Could we get one true beater, cut it up into tiny bits, then “restore” each bit to now have, say, a dozen authentic cards?

No it doesnt work that way , so much of the original has to be there ...