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T206 Reference....Reflections.....T206 "Monster" obsession ? ....Check-this-one-out !
Does this "mania" get any crazier than this ? ?
So you have "completed" your T206 set. But, the Monster has you hooked. Just like those classic lyrics in the song Hotel California tell us......... "you can check out any time you like....but, you can never leave" Anyhow, I found this Pennsylvania license plate in a little ole Antique shop many years ago, and put it on my 1960 Thunderbird. So, let's hear of your "Monster obsessions", I'm sure there are some very interesting ones. TED Z . |
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Ted,
I accept part of the responsibility for the Monster obsession. If I'm not mistaken Heitman's book T 206 THE MONSTER created the association between the set and the monster term. Heitman seemed disturbed that the Monster Number thread fails to cite him in this regard. He told me he would sue for copyright infringement. Negotiations were held in an Anaheim Ice Cream Shop witnessed by none other than Large Ass Herzog. Heitman agreed to drop the suit and vowed to support the obsession he created. Below is my proof of this encounter. 1-Monster Auto.jpg To be honest I don't think he would have been persuaded without Large Ass looking over his wrist (?). When it comes to autograph authentication it never hurts to have a Large Ass in the room.
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FRANK:BUR:KETT - RAUCOUS SPORTS CARD FORUM MEMBER AND MONSTER NUMBER FATHER. GOOD FOR THE HOBBY AND THE FORUM WITH A VAULT IN AN UNDISCLOSED LOCATION FILLED WITH NON-FUNGIBLES 274/1000 Monster Number Nearly*1000* successful B/S/T transactions completed in 2012-24. Over 680 sales with satisfied Board members served. If you want fries with your order, just speak up. Thank you all. Now nearly PQ. Last edited by frankbmd; 11-29-2018 at 04:59 PM. |
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T206 Reference....Reflections.....T206 "Monster" obsession ? ....Check-out this one !
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I cannot be the only "T206 nut" on this forum that has weird T206 obsessions. So, come on guys, show-n-tell us of your odd-ball "Monster" mania. ? Or better yet, stop by and see me at the Philly Show this weekend (booth # 209), and we can spend hours talking T206's. TED Z . |
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The inclusion of Farrah Fawcett "cards" in Bill's Monster Book was a joke played on Bill by his publisher (I believe). Bill was upset about it, but didn't want to foot the bill for a Farrahless second printing.
The Pout left and Pout Right cards are my favorites. Farrah pouts.jpeg
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T206 Reference....Reflections.....T206 "Monster" obsession ? ....Check-out this one !
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Dennis Eckes (publisher) was infatuated with Farah Fawcett at that time (1980). Jim Beckett told me this back then. Recall that Dennis was also the publisher of the Beckett Price Guides (1979 to current). Incidentally, I like all 6 pix of the Farah in Bill's book. TED Z . |
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Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ?
* * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Reflections, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * *
Shown here are some of the stars in the T215-1 set The RED CROSS (T215-1) set consists of 96 cards. Some of the RED CROSS cards were issued in 1910, and a 2nd series of cards were issued in early 1912. This fact is evident by team trades reflected in the captions of certain 2nd series cards. RED CROSS tobacco products were produced in Jersey City, NJ (Factory #10) by the Lorillard Tobacco Co. Lorillard was a subsidiary of American Tobacco Co. American Lithographic (ALC) printed their 1st series of the T215-1 cards during the production run of the T206 cards in 1910. What is quite interesting in this process of printing the T215-1 cards, ALC intermixed T206 subjects from their 150, 350, and 460 Series. The 2nd series followed in the Spring of 1912. Regarding the T215-1 captions, note that they are printed with BROWN ink....which clearly identifies these cards as having been printed by ALC prior to 1913. ALC switched to printing captions with BLUE ink for their white-bordered sets from 1913 - 1919 (T213-2, T213-3, T214, T215-2) T215-1 Checklist..... 96 subjects Ames (hands over head) Baker Ball (Cleveland) Bender (trees) Bender (no trees) Bridwell (portrait-cap) M. Brown (Chicago) Byrne Pittsburgh Camnitz (arm at side) Chance (batting) Chase (trophy) Cobb (bat off shoulder) Eddie Collins (A's) Conroy (bat) Crandall (portrait-cap) Crawford (bat) Cree Harry Davis Cleveland Devore Donlin (bat) Pittsburgh Doolan Dougherty (arm in air) L. Doyle (bat)) L. Doyle (portrait) Dubuc Elberfeld (fielding) Ford Fromme Griffith (bat) Washington Hartsel Toledo Herzog New York NL Hoblitzel Hofman Howard Huggins (portrait) St Louis NL Huggins (hands/mouth) (Cincinnati) Hummel Jennings (one hand) Jennings (two hands) Johnson (pitching) Kelley Konetchy (glove low) Krause Lajoie (bat) Lake (no ball) Latham Leifield (bat) Lord Chicago AL Magee (bat) Marquard (portrait) Marquard (pitching) Mathewson (white cap) Mathewson (dark cap) McGinnity McGraw (portrait-cap) McGraw (glove) Harry McIntyre Chicago NL Matty McIntyre Chicago AL Merkle (throwing) Meyers Miller Mowrey St Louis NL Mullin(bat) Murphy (bat) Murray (portrait) Oakes St Louis NL Oldring (bat) O'Leary (hands on knees) Paskert Pelty (vertical) Purtell Quinn Reulbach (no glove) Rucker (throwing) Schaefer (Washington) Schulte (back view) Sheckard (glove) Frank Smith Cincinnati Speaker Stahl (glove) Steinfeldt (bat) St. Louis NL Street (portrait) Street (catching) Sweeney (New York AL) Tannehill (Chicago AL) Tinker (bat off shoulder) Tinker (bat on shoulder) Wagner (bat on right) Warhop Wheat Doc White (pitching) Willetts Wilson Wiltse (portrait-cap)) Wiltse (pitching) Cy Young (glove) Boston NL TRADES....circa 1909 - Spring 1912 that are reflected on these T215-1 cards. Bobby Byrne.................from St Louis NL to Pittsburg on Aug 19, 1909 Harry Davis......…………….Dec. 1911 signed a contract to manage Cleveland Mike Donlin...................from Boston NL to Pittsburg on February 17, 1912 Clark Griffith.................signed a contract to manage Washington in Oct 1911 Topsy Hartsel............…..signed by Toledo (A A) in the Fall of 1911 Buck Herzog..................from Boston NL to New York NL on July 22, 1911 Miller Huggins (port).......from Cincinnati to St Louis on Feb 3, 1910 Harry Lord.....................from Boston AL to Chicago AL on Aug 11, 1910 Harry McIntyre...............from Brooklyn to Chicago NL on April 13, 1910 Matty McIntyre...............from Detroit to Chicago AL on Jan 12, 1911 Mike Mowrey..................from Cincinnati to St Louis NL on August 22, 1909 Rebel Oakes................….from Cincinnati to St Louis on Feb 3, 1910 Frank Smith...............…..from Boston AL to Cincinnati on May 11, 1911 Harry Steinfeldt........…….1912 Spring training tryout with St Louis NL Cy Young (glove)………….…signed with Boston Rustlers Aug 19, 1911 Hey guys This project is still a work in progress....I may have some errors here. Therefore, feel free to correct me. I will really appreciate your inputs. And, post your T215-1 cards....it's always neat to see some of these rarely seen tobacco cards. TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 12-16-2018 at 11:00 AM. Reason: Corrected typo. |
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Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ?
* * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Reflections, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * *
Shown here are some of the stars in the T215-1 set Since no one has responded to the question.... "Do the T215-1 RED CROSS cards belong in the T206 set ?"..... my answer is YES, and NO ! YES for the cards printed and issued circa Spring/Summer 1910....and NO for the cards printed and issued circa Spring 1912. In the Spring/Summer of 1910, ALC was printing sheets of 350 Series (T206) cards. Furthermore, the printing of 1910 COUPON (T213-1) and RED CROSS (1st series) cards coincided with this timeline in the printing of the various T-brands of the T206 set. My initial analysis of the 1st series of T215-1 cards indicates that at least 23 subjects were derived from this 350 Series printing of T206's. These 23 are...… Bender (trees) Byrne (St Louis) Eddie Collins (A's) Cree Doolan Dubuc Fromme Hoblitzel Hofman Howard Huggins (hands/mouth) Kelley Krause Marquard (portrait) McGinnity Miller Paskert Purtell Quinn Speaker Street (portrait) Warhop Wilson Also from the 150/350 series, Mathewson (white cap) was included for a starting total of 24 subjects printed in the 1st series of T215-1 cards. Further research is continuing in order to figure out how many more cards were in this 1st series. Anyhow, let's get a meaningful discussion going here. It's amazing the BB card mysteries Net54 members have solved over the years when they share their theories. So, let's hear your opinions regarding this subject ? ? TED Z . |
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I am undecided as to whether t215-1 (and t213-1) should be considered t206s, but I am working on several back runs and fully feel i need the type 1 version of the cards to complete the back run. In fact, I would like to get all t213 and t215 versions (including pirate back), as well as t214, to do a true and complete back run. Doesn’t answer your question Ted, but maybe advances the topic a bit.
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