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Absurd PWCC Shipping Cost........BEWARE
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-L40-Mu...p2047675.l2557
As if the shilling isn't enough.....I won an L40 Amherst Baseball leather on ebay last night. It said $15.00 shipping, so I should have emailed them but their Shipping matrix shows $4 for a single item won between $0-$250. I emailed to confirm after winning and was told that it fell in the oversize clause of their shipping. The leather is 2-9/16 by 3-9/16, exactly 1/16 by 1/16 larger than a standard sized card. It comes with an envelope that it came in which is maybe 1/16 larger than that as it fits snugly inside. I was informed by Bobby Rittenhouse of PWCC that the $15.00 was, indeed, a good shipping charge for the item. Should have checked with them first because didn't think they would try to go with the absurd shipping. SOOOOO.....be sure you look very closely as they do not really understand the true meaning of the word oversized. I'll be expecting this item to be shipped in the sturdiest of containers, double-boxed due to the extreme fragility, in the timeliest of manners. |
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Finally. A thread that will grow legs .
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haha. I'll be flamed but it is ridiculous. Just trying to help you out with your clicks, Leon...........
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Indeed. Far more interesting than a major hobby figure found by a federal jury to have committed market manipulation.
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Hey....we can walk and chew gum both around here.........well, maybe better rethink that one.
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The shipping price was clearly listed. You should have only bid if you were willing to pay the published shipping cost.
However, as an eBay seller who values customer service I would have offered you a reduced shipping cost if in fact the actual shipping costs were going to be significantly lower than what I charged you. Last edited by peterose4hof; 05-11-2018 at 12:54 PM. |
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Listed or not, $11 extra for 1/16 x 1/16 larger is a bad way to run your business IMO. Having gotten shipments from them before, they are not spending 11 bucks extra to ship Tom's item, I can promise you that.
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How about HERITAGE!!
I was charged $30 Shipping for 1 PSA graded standard size card!!
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Maybe I should add a $15 buying cost to my eBay profile and then charge sellers $15 for letting me bid and win their items. Then I'll just point to my profile if they complain.
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What was the value of the card?
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Agreed...if it was a $5,000 card, that is actually cheap.
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Regardless, I still find their shipping fees excessive, especially paying the exchange rate on them, but I thought you guys stateside paid a lot less than what we do up here. http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=252091 Like you'll see in the above post, a lot of their fees don't make any sense, at least in my opinion.
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I have paid $75.00 shipping to PWCC for a single, T206 card in a standard PSA flip. But, the shipping cost was clearly stated and i just considered it part of the price and bid accordingly. In other words, I knew what I was getting into. PWCC's shipping is silly expensive/high, but if I see a T206 Matty White Cap PSA 6.5 I must have, let alone thus T213 that cost me $25 in shipping, then I will pay the shipping.
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$17 Card.
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I agree it’s annoying (ok wrong) to pay almost as much in shipping as you did for the card, and I validate that PWCC’s shipping is wicked high and customer service may dictate that they give breaks to an angry customer when something is an inch large. All I am saying is that it’s tough to get behind a rant about how much shipping someone paid when shipping costs are clearly disclosed; and Tom, in your case, I don’t know if shipping was disclosed, my comment is general in nature.
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The auction houses don't shill ....
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My guess is that you are paying for insurance on the items and not just packaging and shipping.
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Absurd? Absolutely
Spelled out for all to see? Yes Surprises? No Frustration? Yes Answer? If you don’t like it don’t bid or contact them before the auction ends. Eric Recker
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When bidders see a high shipping charge for a single item like that, a lot will dismiss the auction altogether and the item will be won cheaper than if the shipping charge was say $4.00. Works in the buyers favor more times than not; at least in my experiences with items that have an excessive shiipping charge.
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What about Christies! They charged me $2300 shipping on a small felt pennant!
(Not true, but I just want to win this one for a change.) |
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When you use the term BEWARE in all caps it leads me to believe that someone is trying to do something to harm you and they weren't clear about their intent.
The shipping on all items is posted and they have a matrix below the listing that clearly states the potential shipping charges based on size and insurance on the final selling price. PWCC does a tremendous job on their shipping. They use high quality materials and the item is packed extremely well. For a high volume seller to offer such quality shipping is one of the reasons they have such a large customer base. Compare their packaging for a few bucks more vs. Probstein and it isn't even close. You got what you paid for. I have no idea what this item should have sold for but as was pointed it out it is very common for bidders to factor in the total cost and base their bid on it. Kind of like going out to dinner and realizing there are taxes and gratuity not included on the menu prices. Last edited by Dpeck100; 05-13-2018 at 08:40 AM. |
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To be fair................
I just received a $7.00 credit from PWCC. "With the envelope and COA together the size is larger than a normal sized card. We have however as a one time courtesy given you a partial refund on your shipping. Thank you very much for participating in our auction." I'm still paying $8.00 for shipping but either through this forum or whatever force of nature, they [kind of] did the right thing. Just wanted to be sure they got their due. |
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Let me say this, I don't believe, at least in PWCC's case that shipping is one of the reasons that makes them one of the top sellers. Proper shipping goes the sale, any self respecting seller with tell you that. And I don't remember them always charging high shipping costs, they were pretty reasonable at one time. The quality of the items that they auction off is the main reason anyone follows them. I bought 3 Triple Folders from them a while ago and they wanted charge me 45 dollars. After contacting them they reduced the cost to 20. It's overkill, no doubt about it.
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Shipping cost
I like PWCC. Why can't they consolidate shipping? A normal ebay seller would. That said, love these 2 new ones even if I paid way too much for shipping.
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So you think if we were reading stories of buyers have cards arrive that are damaged it wouldn't hurt their sales? They understand the transaction process and it involves making sure the product makes it to its final destination in the condition it was listed in. Common sense business practice here. |
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Understood, but there is a reasonable cost that can be associated with the sale with regard to shipping. I've bought thousands of cards on ebay over the years and maybe had 3 or 4 times when a card arrived damaged. Those were from cards thrown in a paper mailer with no protection at all. Hey, you don't mind paying 50 or 100 dollars for shipping on your cards, then by all means be my guest. As for me, I believe there's always a happy medium.
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I have never purchased a card that would require such a fee as they insure the cards shipped. That said if I bought a card for 20k or 50k I wouldn't blink at paying that fee to feel confident it was coming in the condition I purchased it. One of the major issues with collectibles is many are low population and aren't exactly replaceable at the snap of a finger. PWCC packaging and shipping takes all concern out of the equation. I think everyone has opened their mailbox with excitement to get their recent purchase and looked at the package and said "I can't believe this motherF+++++ shipped it this way!!" to themselves. Most of the time even with awful packaging the card arrives in fine condition and you move on. But what if it doesn't? The transaction went from exciting to stressful to potentially infuriating. If I am running a business I am taking the route of dramatically higher quality shipping supplies and packing and passing it on to the customer. The first time I purchased a card from PWCC I paid $8 for shipping and thought it seemed steep. As soon as I got it in hand I was thrilled to pay it. So many consumer business's spend a ton of money on packaging because it helps create a brand. Everything PWCC does from their listings on EBAY to their shipping to their advertising to their graphs and charts are done to build their brand. Everything is high quality. I have never consigned a card but after dealing with both PWCC and Probstein it wouldn't even take a second of thought to make my decision and the dramatically better packaging is one of the factors in this. |
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My problem with their shipping, and others is, it doesn't make much sense paying more or equal amounts for shipping than what you paid for the card. I was glad to read the OP got a rebate. I asked once, after winning a $20 card from them if there was anything they could do with the shipping, but all I got was a sorry, those are our fees. I knew the cost going in so it's no ones fault but mine, but after that transaction, and others, I quickly started looking around a little more carefully/patiently and found many others out there who don't charge near what they charge, and that was before they raised their current shipping fees.
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Their fees were not always that high. It just sticks with me that it's a bit of a cash grab. The good is their shipping is quick. The bad is if you win another item the next day, it's another full shipping charge.
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Who is charging $35 on a $35 card?
My last purchase through PWCC was a $45 card and the shipping was $4. |
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-...a81&rmvSB=true Condition:-- Ended: Mar 12, 2018 , 9:37PM Winning bid:US $42.57 [ 13 bids ] Shipping: $35.00 UPS Worldwide Saver Item location:Lake Oswego, Oregon, United States Seller: pwcc_auctions (149593 ) | Seller's other items
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$6.00 Standard Shipping What am I missing? Did the card ship out of the country? Last edited by Dpeck100; 05-15-2018 at 08:47 PM. |
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Irv (Dale) is in Canada.
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So the issue is international shipping charges. Does PWCC use the Global Shipping Program, first class with tracking, or is it a customs issue? |
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In this thread I started, I listed some other prices I seen and wondered why shipping was all over the place? (post#9) http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=252091
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Global is actually cheaper, which is shocking! I can still find dealers stateside who charge $3.00 dollars for shipping.
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The last time I tried to ship something insured to Canada it was ridiculously expensive and there were just no good options.
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PWCC is selling other people's cards. They can't take the risk of an item being sent internationally and some scammer saying they didn't get it.
This has happened to so many collectors over the years. They must send with protection for the seller and unfortunately it costs a lot to send to Canada now. Last edited by Dpeck100; 05-15-2018 at 09:04 PM. |
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Insured, not likely, but tracking, yes.
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Like I have mentioned numerous times before, they are making bank with their shipping fees.
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