Not again! This is why I have a problem with PWCC!! Sorry for the rant!

[Snapolit1]

One grade difference on the right card can bring a big price differential at times. However ridiculous. Not telling you anything you don’t already know.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

One grade difference on the right card can bring a big price differential at times. However ridiculous. Not telling you anything you don’t already know.

right key is POP....a babe ruth psa 4 to psa 5 in a 1933 goudey brings much bigger price difference than a 2 to 3 or 3 to 4 etc....same with t206 cobb

heck even if its the same grade..centering can be a 50% difference on cards in the 1000 dollar rage and more etc

plus you complained when you consigned cards to pwcc you dont do well...but when you sell on your own you give the cards away you say......

[sycks22]

The irony behind "I hate drama", but start a thread complaining about something. Isn't that kind of the definition of drama?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by sycks22

The irony behind "I hate drama", but start a thread complaining about something. Isn't that kind of the definition of drama?

Good one Pete.... You are correct....Is this really drama though? Or just a disgruntled man bitching about something? Not sure the two are related. And I vote for the latter.

PS - I think I was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy overdue as I haven't really bitched about anything in a long time. My apologies if my bitching is out of line.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Good one Pete.... You are correct....Is this really drama though? Or just a disgruntled man bitching about something? Not sure the two are related. And I vote for the latter.

PS - I think I was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy overdue as I haven't really bitched about anything in a long time. My apologies if my bitching is out of line.

This doesn't have to be Happy Land where everything wonderful and sweet and every transaction is wonderful. I thought your "bitching" was hardly that. Frustration.

[SAllen2556]

This card has been available as a BIN for weeks by a very reputable seller for $110, while the second card sold last night for $130.50. I was watching the PWCC card because I falsely assumed it would go for under $100. The buyer of the PWCC card had a feedback rating over 2000. This was not some novice buyer. I just don't get why someone would pay more for the same card that's been available for weeks for about 25% less than he ended up paying.

I know this card is very small potatoes, and it's not exactly apples to apples, but I wonder, overall, if it suggests some type of psychological effect that large, big name auctions have on people. The excitement of bidding in an auction where cards are selling for tens of thousands of dollars, and you're a part of that. I find it fascinating.

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[bobbyw8469]

I call it the "PWCC Effect". It would make a great college thesis. It combines elements of sociology, psychology, and business all rolled into one. It is basically the same thing Mastro did years earlier, except on maybe a larger scale, and with an added element (The PWCC HE designation is sheer marketing genius at no added cost).

[rsst206]

Hi All
I have an observation and wondering if any other have had the same.
I purchased 50+ lots and it seems that the under bidder on a majority of the lots that were 5's was the same bidder with 100% bids on his auctions. That this bidder places a bid of between $69 and $72. w***r (183. Now if this bidder didn't place these bids i would have won them at half the price. Am i out of line thinking this way? Or maybe this bidder was thinking maybe he could get these Obaks and a great price and resell and placing these bids at $69-72 would yield more profits than $38. I know we place bids on what we are willing to pay and I a tickled to get these Obaks and what i feel is a good price but just thinking hmm. What if

Ronald Skaggs

[jmb]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

This card has been available as a BIN for weeks by a very reputable seller for $110, while the second card sold last night for $130.50. I was watching the PWCC card because I falsely assumed it would go for under $100. The buyer of the PWCC card had a feedback rating over 2000. This was not some novice buyer. I just don't get why someone would pay more for the same card that's been available for weeks for about 25% less than he ended up paying.

I know this card is very small potatoes, and it's not exactly apples to apples, but I wonder, overall, if it suggests some type of psychological effect that large, big name auctions have on people. The excitement of bidding in an auction where cards are selling for tens of thousands of dollars, and you're a part of that. I find it fascinating.

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The PSA card has much better centering. I'd rather have that card for an extra $20 too.

[ullmandds]

this is funny...talk about beating a dead horse. if you want your cards to sell as high as others with pwcc...you have to shill them...or have someone else shill them...its pretty simple.

well centered cards sell better than non well centered cards...this is fact...even more so lately than ever.

[pbspelly]

Originally Posted by jmb

The PSA card has much better centering. I'd rather have that card for an extra $20 too.

That was my thought too. The top card has a very thin border at the top.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

This card has been available as a BIN for weeks by a very reputable seller for $110, while the second card sold last night for $130.50. I was watching the PWCC card because I falsely assumed it would go for under $100. The buyer of the PWCC card had a feedback rating over 2000. This was not some novice buyer. I just don't get why someone would pay more for the same card that's been available for weeks for about 25% less than he ended up paying.

I know this card is very small potatoes, and it's not exactly apples to apples, but I wonder, overall, if it suggests some type of psychological effect that large, big name auctions have on people. The excitement of bidding in an auction where cards are selling for tens of thousands of dollars, and you're a part of that. I find it fascinating.

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I had about 70 T202 PSA 5s....i can tell you the 75-200 price point happens all the time on those. If i listed a BIN...nobody would offer 150..but if several cards were listed in the same auction...for the convenience some buyers would just purchase a few (30 dollars over market) to go with the the rest of the cards they wanted. There are a lot more factors then who the seller is.

I can also tell you i had some of these t202 listed at a start price fo $120 with no takers...but then i'd list them again at 80 dollars and they would get bid to $150...

sometimes certain buyers are willing to pay more on a certain day..other times there are buyers that get a big windfall.......

[BruceinGa]

I placed bids on 11 T206's that were listed by PWCC. All had very nice centering and were graded by PSA between 5 and 6. Needless to say I didn't win a single card.
Several sold for much more than what I expected.
I guess cards that present nicely will sell for more that "ugly" cards.

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I can also tell you i had some of these t202 listed at a start price fo $120 with no takers...but then i'd list them again at 80 dollars and they would get bid to $150...

In ebays early days they did a study and discovered that auctions end up with higher prices, on average, when the auctions start at $0.99.

Even though I know this is true, I'm still hesitant to do that with my better items.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right key is POP....a babe ruth psa 4 to psa 5 in a 1933 goudey brings much bigger price difference than a 2 to 3 or 3 to 4 etc....same with t206 cobb

heck even if its the same grade..centering can be a 50% difference on cards in the 1000 dollar rage and more etc

plus you complained when you consigned cards to pwcc you dont do well...but when you sell on your own you give the cards away you say......

When I sell myself, I give cards away...more than if they sold with PWCC. When my cards do poorly with PWCC, it is when they have multiples of the same card, same grade up for auction. Maybe there is an ulterior motive why they dont do well, but that has been discussed ad naseum. No need to rehash THAT aspect of it again.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

When I sell myself, I give cards away...more than if they sold with PWCC. When my cards do poorly with PWCC, it is when they have multiples of the same card, same grade up for auction. Maybe there is an ulterior motive why they dont do well, but that has been discussed ad naseum. No need to rehash THAT aspect of it again.

A return waiting to happen.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Leon

A return waiting to happen.

?? Not following you Leon.....

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

?? Not following you Leon.....

If you sold "yourself" whomever bought you would return you.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Leon

If you sold "yourself" whomever bought you would return you.

LOL..touche....the old lady likes me enough...I have a few redeeming good qualities enough where she might not envoke the "grade guarantee".....but who knows.....I think they actually have game shows based on that premise.