ANy Die Hard Diamond Stars Collectors out here?

[danmckee]

My Dad, who I do miss dearly, left a note and an open slot in our Master set of Diamond Stars that states there may exist a #2 Simmons with Sox on shirt and blue print on back.

Now I just noticed this and we completed this Master set back in the early 1980s but I have only ever seen the blank shirt with the blue printing on back.

Any help from the community is greatly appreciated.

Dan Mckee

[brianp-beme]

All the Blue Back Al Simmons cards I have noticed are without the Sox emblem, but I haven't been checking that closely. If it does exist with the Sox on uniform it would likely be a rare beast. I assume the complete master set that was recently auctioned by Huggins and Scott did not have it.

Brian

[midmo]

[midmo]

[brianp-beme]

Dan is looking for info for cards with Blue printing on the back that would have the Sox emblem. The Blue back cards were printed in 1936, and indicate on back that Simmons is with the Tigers. If it exists, a blue back Simmons with a Sox emblem got printed before the producers of the cards 'whitewashed' his uniform to eliminate the Sox emblem.

Brian

[sterlingfox]

A Sox on shirt blue back techically doesn't exist, so I agree that it would be an extreme rarity!

As a side note, I'm almost half way to a master set myself, and currently own 2 of the 3 known Simmons cards (35 Green "Sox on shirt" and 36 Blue "No Sox on shirt" - still missing the 34 "Sox on shirt" version).

[midmo]

[SAllen2556]

I'm a semi-diehard. Simmons was sold to the Tigers in December of 1935. Manush was traded to Boston from Washington in December of '35 as well. Cuyler went from the Cubs to the Reds in July of '35. Roy Mahaffey went from Philadelphia to St. Louis in January of '36. Maybe the most interesting is Dixie Walker who went from the Yankees to the White Sox on May 1, 1936. His 1936 blue-back version removes the text about him being on the Yankees. That makes one assume that the '36 versions were printed after May 1 of 1936. And alll of the above team changes were accounted for in the '36 print run.

All in all, it would seem to be highly unlikely that a 1936 version of Al Simmons exists with the White Sox on his jersey, given that it's likely the '36 versions were not released until, at the very earliest, late May of 1936, and most likely even later. Simmons had been a Tiger for 5 months already by May of '36. Maybe there were reprints with blue ink - that I do not know.

[danmckee]

I am liking these answers guys.....

and I appreciate all of the excellent input!

Now since Simmons is card #2, I will have to get comfortable and move the entire set up one position throughout the binder.

A true task at hand

thanks again

Dan Mckee

[judsonhamlin]

Or just move the Groves and the Simmons down one and put a nice header type of card in the first pocket. Maybe one noting your dad's role in building the set?

[Leon]

A picture of Pops on a Diamond Star card would be really cool. Pops was a really great guy, RIP Pops.....We miss ya'....

Originally Posted by judsonhamlin

Or just move the Groves and the Simmons down one and put a nice header type of card in the first pocket. Maybe one noting your dad's role in building the set?

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by judsonhamlin

Or just move the Groves and the Simmons down one and put a nice header type of card in the first pocket. Maybe one noting your dad's role in building the set?

Now that is a great idea!!!!!

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by Leon

A picture of Pops on a Diamond Star card would be really cool. Pops was a really great guy, RIP Pops.....We miss ya'....

Yes that would be cool! Where is McDaniel when I need him?

Yes Pops was the best!

[keating3620]

I have my dad's diamond stars from when he was a kid. A while ago for his 70th birthday I made his baseball card. It proudly is included in the framed set on the wall of the man cave.

[keating3620]

Originally Posted by keating3620

I have my dad's diamond stars from when he was a kid. A while ago for his 70th birthday I made his baseball card. It proudly is included in the framed set on the wall of the man cave.

BTW-dad's card bumped Lefty for #1 in the set

[Rookiemonster]

What is the hardest card to find in this set?

[sterlingfox]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

What is the hardest card to find in this set?

The high numbers (97 and up) are definitely tough. The correct spelling version of #36 Ernie Lombardi and the #54 Hank "Greenburg" error are also somewhat tough.

[Rookiemonster]

I figured as much with the high numbers. Thanks for the heads up on the other two. I've been thinking about diving in to this set. Mainly because there is no Ruth or Gehrig . I like to think I can get the grove and the highs over time. But I ussallly like to take a swing at the hardest card to get first. It helps me pick up the cheaper cards without feeling like I'm missing out in something. ( I'm not a set collector but I live the look of this set. There is not much on this set when searching the web. So I've been watching this thread also , hoping for some gurus on this set .

Thanks for your response! It was very much appreciated.

[sterlingfox]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

I figured as much with the high numbers. Thanks for the heads up on the other two. I've been thinking about diving in to this set. Mainly because there is no Ruth or Gehrig . I like to think I can get the grove and the highs over time. But I ussallly like to take a swing at the hardest card to get first. It helps me pick up the cheaper cards without feeling like I'm missing out in something. ( I'm not a set collector but I live the look of this set. There is not much on this set when searching the web. So I've been watching this thread also , hoping for some gurus on this set .

Thanks for your response! It was very much appreciated.

Glad to help.

I'm about halfway done with a graded master set myself, and also love the look of this set.

Already have both Groves ('34 & '35), but missing the Greenberg, Greenburg, "Ernie" Lombardi, Cuyler Reds variant, many of the year/back variants, as well as about half of the semi high and high numbers.

[Rookiemonster]

Sounds pretty sweet! Does any grove cards command a premium? Does any one know if there are any cards that don't have a variation?

[glynparson]

I miss your dad every time I go to birminghams. He was one hell of a nice guy and loved cards like we do and I admired his drive and zest for life.

[sterlingfox]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

Sounds pretty sweet! Does any grove cards command a premium? Does any one know if there are any cards that don't have a variation?

I don't think either Grove really commands a premium, but the '34 is harder to find, so I was willing to pay a bit more for it.

You should be able to Google the master checklist - but if you have trouble finding it, shoot me a PM with your email and I'll send it to you.

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by sterlingfox

I don't think either Grove really commands a premium, but the '34 is harder to find, so I was willing to pay a bit more for it.

You should be able to Google the master checklist - but if you have trouble finding it, shoot me a PM with your email and I'll send it to you.

Thanks I'll check it out later. I was looking over the weekend and couldn't find much. Psa card facts seemed to be the only thing that answered any questions I had.