PWCC's 1936 Goudey World Wide Gum DiMaggio PSA 7

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He bought the card out of REA, submitted it raw to PSA, and then sold it to Cortney in the PSA holder. These are facts.

If they're facts, prove them. How do we know it was Brent that bought it from REA? Once again, prove your statement, otherwise it's just speculation.

[Whodunit]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If they're facts, prove them. How do we know it was Brent that bought it from REA? Once again, prove your statement, otherwise it's just speculation.

Go away moron. We've stated (several people on here) that an ex REA employee has told several of us that Brent bought this card AND BRENT ADMITTED DIRECTLY TO ME VIA TEXT THAT HE WON THEM. iF YOUQUESTION THAT, SCROLL UP AND EDUCATE YOURSELF......I posted the screenshot and email. So, STFU and go away. Or is it possible for you not to troll waters that you're not smart enough to even wade across when it's 1/4" deep.

Or keep responding, it's simply much easier for me to ignore the clueless morons like yourself than to fight a futile battle with an uneducated moron. But, I do wonder, how many of my many millions in cards that Brent sold for me do you actually own?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

AND BRENT ADMITTED DIRECTLY TO ME VIA TEXT THAT HE WON THEM. iF YOUQUESTION THAT, SCROLL UP AND EDUCATE YOURSELF

Where's the text? What post? Perhaps I missed it?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If they're facts, prove them. How do we know it was Brent that bought it from REA? Once again, prove your statement, otherwise it's just speculation.

We know because people who are in a position to know told me and told Cortney, and because Brent has been confronted with it and did not deny it. Indeed, I believe he explicitly admitted it to Cortney. Do you want an invoice? At some point David you are going to reach the end of that limb, if you are not already there.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

We know because people who are in a position to know told me and told Cortney

You're an attorney, Peter. Isn't that hearsay?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

You're an attorney, Peter. Isn't that hearsay?

Sure, but if I were prosecuting this case I would have the invoice and the direct testimony of the source. So in effect I am vouching for what I could prove if I had the same abilities to secure evidence in an actual case. And anyhow Brent's failure to deny when confronted also might be independently admissible as an admission.

Are you saying, David, that you don't believe me? I guess you must not since you keep this up. Do you really think I am going to come on here and lie about what I was told, or about the reliability of the source?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Are you saying, David, that you don't believe me?

Peter, it's not that I don't believe you, it's that I believe you may have been given false information. You still have no hard evidence that Brent won the card at REA, other than what people have told you. Do you think that just because enough people tell you something that it's true?

On the other hand, Cortney has said (and these are direct quotes), "Brent won it in REA (yes, that is highly documented)" and "I'll continuously oblige anyone who's paying attention with some new facts and "hard" evidence."

OK, so oblige me. Where's this "highly documented" "hard evidence" that Brent bought it at REA? He said he has a screen shot. Either I'm overlooking it (and if I am please point me to it) or he hasn't posted it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

David I am telling you my source is absolutely reliable, among the most respected figures in this hobby. I am not going to give him up right now. Use your common sense. Brent and Betsy have been waging a PR campaign to try to counter Cortney's assertions about shill bidding. Without commenting on that issue, don't you think if Brent hadn't bought the SGC 50 they would have denied that? Au contraire, they essentially admitted it by pointing out that they sometimes buy cards for clients. Go back and read their posts.

[Peeonduke]

Hi all,
I was made aware of this thread last night so I decided to join and throw in my 2 cents because I've had many dealings with Brent on higher dollar cards. A few here probably know me from the CU message board hey day, but that's neither here nor there.

I've consigned a decent amount of high dollar cards ($5k-$30k) to Brent over the years and have bid on stuff as well. I've never been asked to bid anything up, and I would've absolutely declined had I been. I've always found his customer service to be above and beyond what I've received from almost every auction house I've dealt with (pretty much all of the major ones). In my years of dealing with Brent and his crew, I've never had the sense that any impropriety has occurred. In fact, a few years ago there was a several thousand dollar proof card I consigned to him where Brent was made aware during the auction that it was not quite exactly what was represented; nothing nefarious, but it was information pertinent to the card that we both agree should be disclosed. Brent notified me that he felt it was the right thing to do once the auction ended to notify the winning bidder of the new info and give him the option to pass on the card which I agreed was fair. The bidder declined to pay which was understandable, so we relisted it in the next auction and disclosed what we had learned and it sold for around 40% of what it did the first time. This was a clear case of where it would've been very easy to not say a word, let the 1st guy pay and book a nice win. Brent chose to be proactive and do what he felt was right, which I respected and agreed with even though it cost me several grand and him several hundred.

I didn't come here to speak about the DiMaggio tirefire because I'm not involved and it seems there are already enough hot takes. I agree that the request for Cortney to bump up his bid is not a good look and probably something Brent regrets doing. All I can say is that I've done enough high-end business with Brent (not to the level that Cortney has, but definitely significant) to make an informed decision about his character and intentions with regard to the hobby. I've never done business with Cortney so I can't speak intelligently about his character, but from a distance it appears as if he feels doing a good amount of business with somebody gives him the right to treat them poorly; like a regular at a high-end restaurant treating the waitstaff like crap. The "$20 collector" line in post #405 says a lot about who he is in my eyes. I do sympathize with him with regards to the DiMaggio- if Brent had knowledge that the card had been soaked/toned/whatever, that should have been disclosed before making the private sale. My guess is that if Cortney treated people in a more respectful manner, this whole deal would've gone down differently.

Anyway, I know I'm a newbie here and my opinion will be taken with a grain of salt which is fine. But after reading all of the posts piling on Brent, I felt the need to speak up on his behalf based on my experience.

Lee

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by Peeonduke

Hi all,
I was made aware of this thread last night so I decided to join and throw in my 2 cents because I've had many dealings with Brent on higher dollar cards. A few here probably know me from the CU message board hey day, but that's neither here nor there.

I've consigned a decent amount of high dollar cards ($5k-$30k) to Brent over the years and have bid on stuff as well. I've never been asked to bid anything up, and I would've absolutely declined had I been. I've always found his customer service to be above and beyond what I've received from almost every auction house I've dealt with (pretty much all of the major ones). In my years of dealing with Brent and his crew, I've never had the sense that any impropriety has occurred. In fact, a few years ago there was a several thousand dollar proof card I consigned to him where Brent was made aware during the auction that it was not quite exactly what was represented; nothing nefarious, but it was information pertinent to the card that we both agree should be disclosed. Brent notified me that he felt it was the right thing to do once the auction ended to notify the winning bidder of the new info and give him the option to pass on the card which I agreed was fair. The bidder declined to pay which was understandable, so we relisted it in the next auction and disclosed what we had learned and it sold for around 40% of what it did the first time. This was a clear case of where it would've been very easy to not say a word, let the 1st guy pay and book a nice win. Brent chose to be proactive and do what he felt was right, which I respected and agreed with even though it cost me several grand and him several hundred.

I didn't come here to speak about the DiMaggio tirefire because I'm not involved and it seems there are already enough hot takes. I agree that the request for Cortney to bump up his bid is not a good look and probably something Brent regrets doing. All I can say is that I've done enough high-end business with Brent (not to the level that Cortney has, but definitely significant) to make an informed decision about his character and intentions with regard to the hobby. I've never done business with Cortney so I can't speak intelligently about his character, but from a distance it appears as if he feels doing a good amount of business with somebody gives him the right to treat them poorly; like a regular at a high-end restaurant treating the waitstaff like crap. The "$20 collector" line in post #405 says a lot about who he is in my eyes. I do sympathize with him with regards to the DiMaggio- if Brent had knowledge that the card had been soaked/toned/whatever, that should have been disclosed before making the private sale. My guess is that if Cortney treated people in a more respectful manner, this whole deal would've gone down differently.

Anyway, I know I'm a newbie here and my opinion will be taken with a grain of salt which is fine. But after reading all of the posts piling on Brent, I felt the need to speak up on his behalf based on my experience.

Lee

I am sure he had no issues with disclosing that your card had an issue with it. The problem here is, it was his card, and he was the one who had it cleaned. See how they are not even close in comparison?

[Peeonduke]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

I am sure he had no issues with disclosing that your card had an issue with it. The problem here is, it was his card, and he was the one who had it cleaned. See how they are not even close in comparison?

I was not comparing my situation to the DiMaggio, they are clearly two entirely different things. I was just trying to shed light as to why I trust Brent's intentions as it relates to the hobby and give an example of why I feel this way. I feel he made some questionable calls with regard to the DiMaggio situation and stated as much in my post. But I also believe this situation is the exception rather than the rule.