The End of Hauls of Shame

[Leon]

I hope he ends up rotting in jail. That is certainly where he belongs and what he deserves. There has been no bigger criminal in our hobby, imo.

[trdcrdkid]

Could somebody explain what Nash did, for those of us who don't know the backstory? Or provide a link?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

Could somebody explain what Nash did, for those of us who don't know the backstory? Or provide a link?

He made fake memorabilia and spread it throughout the hobby. He then got investigated and pleaded the 5th amendment every time he got asked where he got the fake stuff he was selling. But he was good at it, real good. He would take authentic items, put them together, and make something completely different and far more valuable. He had a bad habit of not paying his debts according to all of the lawsuits and hot checks I have seen. And there is this income tax thing too....Beside these things below, as of Oct 2016 Nash still owed Rob Lifson $220,000 from a (court judgement) pursuant to a loan on bad collateral. That amount has been whittled down from around a million from monies from the bar he owns (hopefully that will get taken too). According to the lawsuit below it seems he was selling things he didn't own too. Here is some reading but there is a ton more. Heck, there might be as much as you have posted about early hobby stuff.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

Could somebody explain what Nash did, for those of us who don't know the backstory? Or provide a link?

He has been discussed on here several times. Besides high end baseball he loves high end Jordan cards. He is the reason IMHO it is safer to but raw. I am on my phone or would but up a few links.
EDIT dang phone was referring to the Mexican guy and quoted the wrong post.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

I hope he ends up rotting in jail. That is certainly where he belongs and what he deserves. There has been no bigger criminal in our hobby, imo.

Easy for me to say because I don't do memorabilia, but I would rank him well behind the major card doctors, and now the Mexican guy with the fake (or resealed) slabs.

[sports-rings]

Of much less importance than the thorough and great documentation Leon provided above, but fascinating none-the-less:

If Peter "liked" someone in the hobby who was convicted or accused of wrong-doing, he wouldn't cover the story in his Hauls-of-Shame blogs.

If you were not one of "Peter's friends", he would twist facts, mislead and slam those he choose to in those same blogs.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by sports-rings

Of much less importance than the thorough and great documentation Leon provided above, but fascinating none-the-less:

If Peter "liked" someone in he hobby who was convicted or accused of wrong-doing, he wouldn't cover the story in his Hauls-of-Shame blogs.

If you were not one of "Peter's friends", he would twist facts, mislead and slam those he choose to in those same blogs.

O'Keefe once told me that when he spoke with Nash it was like the twilight zone. About a third of the stuff is actually true, a third of it is grossly exaggerated and a third of it is total fabrication. Trying to figure out which was which was the difficult part, I guess. There are very few people in the world, which I have any real knowledge of, who I call "bad". He is one of the very few. Maybe if he goes to jail for a long time, pays all he owes and repents, he can turn himself around. Who knows. Here is some more reading. It could go on for days but won't ...

[Snapolit1]

Don't know the guy personally and have no information as to what he did or didn't do to anyone, but all this squares with one thing I've seen over and over in my life . . . often times the sanctimonious types who make a living outing other people's transgressions or weaknesses are doing what they do simply to divert attention from their own (usually bigger) cons and scams.

[ullmandds]

[QUOTE=Leon;1618712] About a third of the stuff is actually true, a third of it is grossly exaggerated and a third of it is total fabrication. Trying to figure out which was which was the difficult part, I guess.

sounds like our president elect?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

sounds like our president elect?

consider this a warning concerning talking politics...thanks

[mark evans]

Originally Posted by Leon

consider this a warning concerning talking politics...thanks

If kosher, would it be permissible to seek recommendations of non-partisan political blogs. I would enjoy discussing some issues in a board that shares characteristics with this one. Bright, educated comments, with name shown, no trolls or ad hominem attacks. If ok by Leon, maybe some of you who also talk politics on non-partisan boards could give me a lead (privately if necessary).

If I can stray further O-T: Go Tide. My college roommate (1966) was from Selma, Alabama. Being a native of Virginia myself, I found it more enjoyable to root for the Tide. Been a fun ride for 50 years.

[Brian Van Horn]

Honorable John M. Galasso. Gotta wonder if he is any relation to Renata.

[brianp-beme]

Tried the link as seen in the OP and the website comes up for me as well. Perhaps the OP originally tried 'haul' instead of 'hauls' when entering in the website address.

Brian

[oldrighty35]

Slightly better than the 2/3 untrue of the soon to be former prez.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by oldrighty35

Slightly better than the 2/3 untrue of the soon to be former prez.

better be careful! poltical commentary may land u in net54 purgatory!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by oldrighty35

Slightly better than the 2/3 untrue of the soon to be former prez.

Hi, new member. A couple points:

1- You're post is unintelligible;
2- I'm confident that if I could understand it, I would disagree with you;
3- No politics are discussed on this board; and
4- We're serious about that rule that if you give an opinion about someone, your full name must be included in your post.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by sports-rings

Of much less importance than the thorough and great documentation Leon provided above, but fascinating none-the-less:

If Peter "liked" someone in he hobby who was convicted or accused of wrong-doing, he wouldn't cover the story in his Hauls-of-Shame blogs.

If you were not one of "Peter's friends", he would twist facts, mislead and slam those he choose to in those same blogs.

Truth be told I think we are all guilty of this. I have never met 1 single person who does not twist the truth a little when it comes to friends and family.

[BruceinGa]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

the Mexican guy with the fake (or resealed) slabs.

I don't know about this one. Would you explain or provide a link?
I need to know since I only buy slabbed cards.
Thanks

[slidekellyslide]

The website still looks the same to me. Just looks like he hasn't updated since June.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Leon

I hope he ends up rotting in jail. That is certainly where he belongs and what he deserves. There has been no bigger criminal in our hobby, imo.

C'mon. Have we forgotten Bill Mastro already?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Tabe

C'mon. Have we forgotten Bill Mastro already?

seriously...there have been and continue to be much "worse" criminals in the hobby.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

seriously...there have been and continue to be much "worse" criminals in the hobby.

Yes, but perhaps they are more likeable and have managed to seduce the very people they are defrauding.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yes, but perhaps they are more likeable and have managed to seduce the very people they are defrauding.

exactly...or who perhaps have not publicly named names!

[timzcardz]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

exactly...or who perhaps have not publicly named names!

In a moment of nostaligic weaknes . . .

https://youtu.be/LOjSEW09NxE

[Bpm0014]

I have no support for Peter Nash but Third Base was hugely influential. MC Serch produced Illmatic, the best hip hop album of all time.

Not to get off topic, but it's "3rd Bass". And yes they were completely legit and had some street cred and Illmatic was/is highly influential. MC Serch "founded" Nas which he debuted on "Back to the Grill Again". Just listened to it yesterday. "My rhymes is hotter than a prostitute with gonorrhea" hahaha

[bigtrain]

The Nashs own a beautiful piece of lakefront property on the lake north of Cooperstown. A Mercedes has been sitting rotting in the driveway for years. The house and garage probably need to be torn down but it is still a very valuable piece of property that his creditors, bank, Rob Lifson, Fraser etc. have been fighting to get sold. Sale has been stalled by bankruptcy filings and other legal manuvering. I think the tax liens held up the most recent auction attempt last summer. All I can say is that if you mention Peter's name to any of the Cooperstown locals, they either roll their eyes or cringe.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

I have no support for Peter Nash but Third Base was hugely influential. MC Serch produced Illmatic, the best hip hop album of all time.

Not to get off topic, but it's "3rd Bass". And yes they were completely legit and had some street cred and Illmatic was/is highly influential. MC Serch "founded" Nas which he debuted on "Back to the Grill Again". Just listened to it yesterday. "My rhymes is hotter than a prostitute with gonorrhea" hahaha

To keep it a little off topic, I had never really heard that much about 3rd Bass and thought they were more of a boy band like New Kids on The Block. Now The Beastie Boys was some awesome white rap. “BLEEP, if this is gonna be that kind of party, I'm gonna stick my BLEEP in the mashed potatoes!” hahaha.

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by bnorth

To keep it a little off topic, I had never really heard that much about 3rd Bass and thought they were more of a boy band like New Kids on The Block. Now The Beastie Boys was some awesome white rap. “BLEEP, if this is gonna be that kind of party, I'm gonna stick my BLEEP in the mashed potatoes!” hahaha.

Beastie Boys was awesome Hip-Hop period. No need to qualify "white".

They are in the Rock 'N' Roll Hall of Fame, along with Grandmaster Flash, Run-DMC, N.W.A, Public Enemy and Johnny Cash

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

I have no support for Peter Nash but Third Base was hugely influential. MC Serch produced Illmatic, the best hip hop album of all time.

Not to get off topic, but it's "3rd Bass". And yes they were completely legit and had some street cred and Illmatic was/is highly influential. MC Serch "founded" Nas which he debuted on "Back to the Grill Again". Just listened to it yesterday. "My rhymes is hotter than a prostitute with gonorrhea" hahaha

I prefer Bryce Harper's walk-up song that we discussed a while back. "All my bitches the pick of the litter."

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I prefer Bryce Harper's walk-up song that we discussed a while back. "All my bitches the pick of the litter."

At least he wasn't walking out to 2 Live Crew.