Ty Cobb not the monster many have made him out to be?

[Pilot172000]

I think Cobb was hyper competitive and never made a point to be one of the good ole boys. He was a southerner which immediately made him an outsider and he like most southerners made it personal. Was he a racist? Who wasn't in that era? They were all bigots in one form or fashion. They hated the Irish, the Chinese and any other minority that didn't fit into the mold.

I think that he did everything in absolutes, no grey areas and that is how it is. As a kid I had the movie on VHS and I watched it over and over. It's how I learned who Tris Speaker, Nap Lajoie and Mickey Cochrene were. Stump lied his a$$ off to make a small fortune off of someone else's name and unfortunately it stuck.

[sjim8660]

Originally Posted by Pilot172000

I think Cobb was hyper competitive and never made a point to be one of the good ole boys. He was a southerner which immediately made him an outsider and he like most southerners made it personal. Was he a racist? Who wasn't in that era? They were all bigots in one form or fashion. They hated the Irish, the Chinese and any other minority that didn't fit into the mold.

I think that he did everything in absolutes, no grey areas and that is how it is. As a kid I had the movie on VHS and I watched it over and over. It's how I learned who Tris Speaker, Nap Lajoie and Mickey Cochrene were. Stump lied his a$$ off to make a small fortune off of someone else's name and unfortunately it stuck.

When you talk about being hyper competitive I think about Kobe Bryant. A lot of people don't like Kobe but he took the game serious and so did Cobb. Being the best does not always equal being loved. As a fan of sports I would take a Kobe or Cobb over anyone because you know they are finishers and they have a killer instinct that you cant coach.

[the 'stache]

I don't like Kobe because he's a rapist ahole. His hyper-competitive nature has nothing to do with it. Michael Jordan was the most competitive basketball player I've ever seen. He beat my Bucks like a drum, and it never bothered me one bit. Kobe is a scum bag, and I'd happily say it to his face.

Originally Posted by sjim8660

When you talk about being hyper competitive I think about Kobe Bryant. A lot of people don't like Kobe but he took the game serious and so did Cobb. Being the best does not always equal being loved. As a fan of sports I would take a Kobe or Cobb over anyone because you know they are finishers and they have a killer instinct that you cant coach.

[JTysver]

Heard rumors that the reason Jordan left the NBA was to avoid gambling allegations. Serve a multi-year suspension or make it appear as if your focus is elsewhere. Saves face for both Jordan and the NBA.

Also ironic is that his father was found murdered around this time.

[Joshwesley]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

I don't like Kobe because he's a rapist ahole. His hyper-competitive nature has nothing to do with it. Michael Jordan was the most competitive basketball player I've ever seen. He beat my Bucks like a drum, and it never bothered me one bit. Kobe is a scum bag, and I'd happily say it to his face.

and he would beat you like a rented mule.

[jhs5120]

Didn't he beat up a crippled heckler?

So he was basically Ron Artest, but with a crippled veteran.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Didn't he beat up a crippled heckler?

So he was basically Ron Artest, but with a crippled veteran.

Just curious. Did you read Leerhsens' book or at least the article referenced by the OP?

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by tschock

Just curious. Did you read Leerhsens' book or at least the article referenced by the OP?

Yeah, it doesn't refute him beating up some cripple. Actually it added maybe five more people that Cobb beat up in his lifetime. So like, Ron Artest, plus maybe a LeSsan McCoy nightclub brawl with potentially a Ray Rice.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Joshwesley

and he would beat you like a rented mule.

And I'd sue him for every penny he's worth.

[Jason]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

And I'd sue him for every penny he's worth.

So you would happily call a man a scumbag to his face and if he retaliates you would sue him? Gotta say if your man enough to run your mouth off you have to take what comes from it.

[Pilot172000]

Back to the task at hand. There are countless talented people who seem to put the game, work or whatever else over personal relationships with others. It's not uncommon. What is uncommon is the fact that Cobb was so talented and stood above all others during the dead all era that no one received nearly the amount of scrutiny that has and does. Compare his list of books to any other and you will find him to be the most investigated player during the Pre-War Era not named Ruth.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Jason

So you would happily call a man a scumbag to his face and if he retaliates you would sue him? Gotta say if your man enough to run your mouth off you have to take what comes from it.

I wouldn't walk up to the guy and start hurling insults at him. I'm not a confrontational person. But, if he were close bye, and somebody asked my opinion of Bryant, I'd give it. If he chooses to resort to violence, then he'd get what's coming to him.

[RollieFingers]

interesting

[sjim8660]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

I don't like Kobe because he's a rapist ahole. His hyper-competitive nature has nothing to do with it. Michael Jordan was the most competitive basketball player I've ever seen. He beat my Bucks like a drum, and it never bothered me one bit. Kobe is a scum bag, and I'd happily say it to his face.

There was only 2 people there so nobody except them know what really happened. Ultimately she took a payoff and Kobe was never found guilty of anything. Should he of been convicted? Maybe. Did she lie for a payoff? Maybe. Only they know the truth, either way it wasn't anything money couldn't solve, at least in their minds. I respect Kobe as a player, I don't like athletes for their personalities. We like athletes for their ability. People like Greg Hardy who are true scumbags and don't care what anyone thinks shouldn't be allowed to play sports and make millions.

-James Steele

[Pilot172000]

Originally Posted by sjim8660

When you talk about being hyper competitive I think about Kobe Bryant. A lot of people don't like Kobe but he took the game serious and so did Cobb. Being the best does not always equal being loved. As a fan of sports I would take a Kobe or Cobb over anyone because you know they are finishers and they have a killer instinct that you cant coach.

Kobe is an excellent example. I look at Ted Williams the same way too.