1954 PSA 7 Kaline for over 3k?

[1952boyntoncollector]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-TOPPS-A...-/391419342080

2 guys fight it out at end?

several PSA 7s now for sale for under 2k...

[pokerplyr80]

Dead centered. Those go for big premiums. I wouldn't have guessed that big, but that's a nice looking 7.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Yeah that is a killer 7.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah that is a killer 7.

Agreed. That one was A LOT nicer than all the cheaper BIN's. Centering is boss of all the qualifiers.

[1952boyntoncollector]

$2000 more than what the card goes for in the past seems like a lot on a card that just sold for $3500 or so.theres another not bad centered card at auction now

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AL-KALINE-19...oAAOSwQgpW~dPX

but who knows

[pokerplyr80]

I would not consider the last one nicely centered. Almost deserving of an OC qualifier in my opinion. There is one up on ebay for 1700 that isn't bad, but that one that went for 3,100 looked pretty sweet. Perhaps the buyer thinks he can get a bump.

[pclpads]

Old flip. Bump is possible.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pclpads

Old flip. Bump is possible.

i think the time has past for the 'old flip' ripe for bump argument...i look at old flips like SGC/bvg/gai on big cards (yeah i know SGC a LOT better than the other two)....if they would of been graded with PSA or grader higher with a half grade, it has already been tried by now or a reason it hasnt....

[pokerplyr80]

It's hard to do but I hear about cards getting bumps from other collectors that seem credible. Remember Sean's post that he bumped that psa 9 60 all star mantle from a 9 to a 10? In the holder even. There are guys who regularly resubmit cards until they get the grade they want. I wouldn't be surprised if that one ends up in a 7.5 or 8 holder some day. Not that we will ever know.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

It's hard to do but I hear about cards getting bumps from other collectors that seem credible. Remember Sean's post that he bumped that psa 9 60 all star mantle from a 9 to a 10? In the holder even. There are guys who regularly resubmit cards until they get the grade they want. I wouldn't be surprised if that one ends up in a 7.5 or 8 holder some day. Not that we will ever know.

Its not free to resubmit the card...i just think by now they have already attempted it...we are many YEARs later since the half grades bumps have been added....how many more years have to pass until everyone agrees that this card has already been reviewed and turned down once if not more times..

then again, this can be just another ridiculous post by me..

[pokerplyr80]

Conspiracy theorists may say grading companies like to encourage multiple resubmissions to make more money and therefore have to bump a card once in a while. I have no idea if this is true but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[pclpads]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

then again, this can be just another ridiculous post by me..

Lot of merit in what you said. LOL! Plus, you are comparing apples to orangutans citing SGC/BVG/Gai as valid TPG vs earlier PSA flips of 20+ years ago. Maybe the seller tried and it failed . . . of maybe he didn't try? While I wouldn't have honked up $3100 for the K-line in 7, if I had, it would be on the road to Newport for a poss. bumpo soon as it came knocking.

[the 'stache]

I guess I'm weird. I see a killer card, and could care less about whether or not it might get get a bump in grade if resubmitted. The card itself doesn't change; it becomes more about the money, and ego.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

I guess I'm weird. I see a killer card, and could care less about whether or not it might get get a bump in grade if resubmitted. The card itself doesn't change; it becomes more about the money, and ego.

The hobby these days is as much about money and ego as it is about cards, probably more or even exclusively in some cases.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Its not free to resubmit the card...i just think by now they have already attempted it...we are many YEARs later since the half grades bumps have been added....how many more years have to pass until everyone agrees that this card has already been reviewed and turned down once if not more times..

then again, this can be just another ridiculous post by me..

Grading is subjective. Even if a card has been submitted multiple times before and did not bump, it may well bump on the next submission depending on who looks at it, what they think on that particular day, perhaps who is submitting it, what else was in the submission, etc. This is an art not a science, and a sloppy art at that.

[1952boyntoncollector]

The card could have been shilled too, funny that never entered into the equation....only 2 bidders over 1400 to make it a 3500 card.....

understand buy the card not the holder but people sell the holder not the card...i have a few centered 7 kalines ..i just think i dont get more than 1500 in a pwcc auction...but maybe the market has changed....

[begsu1013]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

It's hard to do but I hear about cards getting bumps from other collectors that seem credible. Remember Sean's post that he bumped that psa 9 60 all star mantle from a 9 to a 10? In the holder even. There are guys who regularly resubmit cards until they get the grade they want. I wouldn't be surprised if that one ends up in a 7.5 or 8 holder some day. Not that we will ever know.

if it is reviewed and achieves a bump, it will remain w/ the current cert number...

bumped this on review sub 9/10/15. (took 2 attempts)

along w/ a 71 ryan from an 8 to 8.5



1 1 31651697 MINT 9 1970 Topps 712 Nolan Ryan Card
2 1 21266885 MINT 9 1970 Topps 712 Nolan Ryan Card
3 1 09110243 MINT 9 1970 Topps 712 Nolan Ryan Card
4 1 21096450 GEM MINT 10 1970 Topps 712 Nolan Ryan Card
5 1 31045570 MINT 9 1970 Topps 712 Nolan Ryan Card
6 1 08203431 MINT 9 1970 Topps 712 Nolan Ryan Card
7 1 23027601 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1971 Topps 513 Nolan Ryan Card
8 1 31849568 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1971 Topps 513 Nolan Ryan Card

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

bumped this on review sub 9/10/15. (took 2 attempts)

along w/ a 71 ryan from an 8 to 8.5



1 1 31651697 MINT 9 1970 Topps 712 Nolan Ryan Card
2 1 21266885 MINT 9 1970 Topps 712 Nolan Ryan Card
3 1 09110243 MINT 9 1970 Topps 712 Nolan Ryan Card
4 1 21096450 GEM MINT 10 1970 Topps 712 Nolan Ryan Card
5 1 31045570 MINT 9 1970 Topps 712 Nolan Ryan Card
6 1 08203431 MINT 9 1970 Topps 712 Nolan Ryan Card
7 1 23027601 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1971 Topps 513 Nolan Ryan Card
8 1 31849568 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1971 Topps 513 Nolan Ryan Card

submitted raw or in holder...thats an amazing feat

[begsu1013]

"review" means it was submitted in the holder...

and thank you.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

"review" means it was submitted in the holder...

and thank you.

It's like printing money.

[glynparson]

I resubmit a decent amount of cards every year. I have always had them put any card where the grade and number were on the same line in a newer flip, this is the stated policy, and it is what I have always experienced. I do not think this card was resubmitted.

[begsu1013]

my ryan?

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

if it is reviewed and achieves a bump, it will remain w/ the current cert number...

bumped this on review sub 9/10/15. (took 2 attempts)

along w/ a 71 ryan from an 8 to 8.5



1 1 31651697 MINT 9 1970 Topps 712 Nolan Ryan Card
2 1 21266885 MINT 9 1970 Topps 712 Nolan Ryan Card
3 1 09110243 MINT 9 1970 Topps 712 Nolan Ryan Card
4 1 21096450 GEM MINT 10 1970 Topps 712 Nolan Ryan Card
5 1 31045570 MINT 9 1970 Topps 712 Nolan Ryan Card
6 1 08203431 MINT 9 1970 Topps 712 Nolan Ryan Card
7 1 23027601 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1971 Topps 513 Nolan Ryan Card
8 1 31849568 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1971 Topps 513 Nolan Ryan Card

Yea that is impressive. A bump like that will pay for a lot of resubmissions.

[ashes13]

That 1970 Ryan is a great looking card. I love Gem Mint cards as much as the next guy, but think about how silly it really is the price differential between a PSA 9 and a PSA 10 of any card. While that same 1970 Ryan sits between 2 pieces of plastic in a holder with PSA labeling it a 9, its worth XXX dollars. Nobody can tell the difference between a PSA 10 and a PSA 9. Its totally subjective. As is proved time and time again, the exact same card can get submitted and get graded either a 9 or 10. Now the same grading company, on a different day, takes the same 1970 Ryan and somehow determines its really a PSA 10. So it labels it as such and voila, the same card is now worth maybe 10-100 times XXX dollars. Its the same damn card. On one day its a 9, the next day its a 10. Guess what, if someone cracks it out of the 10 holder and sends it back to PSA, it will most likely come back a 9. Its a big game that PSA offers to get everyone to submit more cards and pay them more fees. And the hobby is full of suckers(I mean collectors) willing to participate. I dont blame PSA one bit for offering this game. As long as there are suckers out there who are willing to pay 10-100 times the price of PSA 9 for a PSA 10 for the exact same card in a different holder, why not offer the game. There are certainly enough wealthy folks who are willing to pay those prices and I dont blame them either, its their money and usually its really just pocket change for them, a rounding error in their millions or billions of net worth. But think about it, any card in a PSA 10 holder could easily be in a PSA 9 holder and nobody would think twice. Same on the flip side, any card in a PSA 9 holder could easily be in a PSA 10 holder and nobody would think twice. The game makes PSA alot of money, provides a lot of gamblers (ie those trying to submit raw cards to get 10s or resubmits of 9s to get 10s) with another avenue to gamble hoping to win a slot jackpot (ie score a 10 on a card), and provides another trophy for a super wealthy person to purchase. In the end, the card is the same card it was prior to having a different label put on it by PSA. Does anyone think the game will ever end?

[begsu1013]

nope.

[MetsBaseball1973]

Worth mentioning there are a ton of tilty or print problem PSA 9 cards out there that would come back 8s today, and never, ever get a 10.

But yes, totally agree that the best, most centered PSA 9s are 10s on the right day. Also agree that many 10s would NOT be 10s if sent back again.

[sushihotwings]

Although it has been many years since half grades were introduced, I can assure you there are many collectors with cards in their collection that have not submitted for review for bumps. Me for one. I was heavy into collecting 10 years ago and now getting back in. I have never submitted for review. I am sure there are many like me who just bought the cards and put them in a vault. Sending back in carries transit risk even if small and many casual collectors don't go to the big shows

[begsu1013]

david,

what's up! bought your 79 gretzky opc

any luck on a scanner?

[sushihotwings]

Hey Bob. I have been following your posts here and mostly lurking for the past couple months. I haven't seen many Gretzky 9s for sale since a bit of a rush two months ago with PWCC and me when you practically stole mine 😂 with your auction skills. PSA board has been pretty quiet. Still shopping for a high quality scanner. Good to hear from you. Dave

[begsu1013]

yea, I heard they mod went heavy on another round of banishments over there. killing it softly seems to be their method and it seems to be working.

anyways, go w/ the epson. i'm telling ya. best scanner out there!

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

yea, I heard they mod went heavy on another round of banishments over there. killing it softly seems to be their method and it seems to be working.

anyways, go w/ the epson. i'm telling ya. best scanner out there!

The PSA boards is horrible! I got banned over there, and I was the VICTIM of a malicious attack! I have been able to go back for quite some time now - I just choose not to. If that is the way they treat victims, I have no use for them.

PS - +1 on the Epson. I have one. For the money, it can't be beat.