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Old 03-19-2016, 05:11 PM
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Brian,

You make excellent points. I still don't understand why the dealer has to place them on eBay? I realize the answer is "maximum exposure" leading to a potential private sale without all those pesky buyer and seller fees.

Still, if you owned the Hope Diamond, would you list it on eBay with a Buy it Now for $75 million dollars...? It's like Kate Upton using Match. com for a date....

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I made a best offer of $150,000 on the 2.5 and got a message from eBay that said that I have not established sufficient credit and need to call them. Oh well, I tried.
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I made a best offer of $150,000 on the 2.5 and got a message from eBay that said that I have not established sufficient credit and need to call them. Oh well, I tried.
Yeah, "insufficient credit." One more reason why I'll never own a Cobb back.
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I made a best offer of $150,000 on the 2.5 and got a message from eBay that said that I have not established sufficient credit and need to call them. Oh well, I tried.
Over a certain limit of a bid on ebay and you (at least) used to, if not now, have a cc on file. If not, then a high bid or snipe won't take place. It happened to a friend once when I won a card for 20k+. He sniped more but didn't have a cc on file so his bid didn't get placed and I won it. He wasn't happy either.
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I made a best offer of $150,000 on the 2.5 and got a message from eBay that said that I have not established sufficient credit and need to call them. Oh well, I tried.
I offered $1,500 and was immediately rejected. It was the one with the unfortunate crease.
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Brian,

You make excellent points. I still don't understand why the dealer has to place them on eBay? I realize the answer is "maximum exposure" leading to a potential private sale without all those pesky buyer and seller fees.

Still, if you owned the Hope Diamond, would you list it on eBay with a Buy it Now for $75 million dollars...? It's like Kate Upton using Match. com for a date....

Scott
Scott, you yourself have brought up a most valid point, concerning the dealer listing the remainder of the Lucky 7 Find on eBay. It is difficult to pin down his modus operandi for the remaining few specimens, though I would think the EBAY people would take an extremely dim view of said dealer using their services as a high-powered spotlight to attract buyers, then steer clear of the Bay to actually do the deal, thus eliminating EBAY's rightful, though increasingly high middle man percentage fee. Since the Lucky 7 is a major hobby find, and national news item, if word gets out that sales were consummated apart from EBAY, after they were known to be listed, the Bay may have the last say---and tie a 10,000-pound boulder to the dealer's eBay business, and drown him where their BAY is concerned.

I well remember an incident soon after Dale Earnhardt was tragically killed in the 2001 Daytona 500. This guy where I worked had an absolutely BANZAI Earnhardt collection. He listed the whole thing on eBay, "just to see what kind of action he would get". I heard the collection had gone past $14,000, when this guy took it down. The EBAY watchdogs were boiling, and told him if he ever pulled a trick like that again, he would be banned from eBay for life. I do not know what became of that character, as I got laid off the job a couple years later, but in retrospect, if he really intended to eventually sell his Dale Earnhardt collection, THAT was the time to do so. I think he blew it, but no doubt his collection had a very strong emotional attachment to him.

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Scott, you yourself have brought up a most valid point, concerning the dealer listing the remainder of the Lucky 7 Find on eBay. It is difficult to pin down his modus operandi for the remaining few specimens, though I would think the EBAY people would take an extremely dim view of said dealer using their services as a high-powered spotlight to attract buyers, then steer clear of the Bay to actually do the deal, thus eliminating EBAY's rightful, though increasingly high middle man percentage fee. Since the Lucky 7 is a major hobby find, and national news item, if word gets out that sales were consummated apart from EBAY, after they were known to be listed, the Bay may have the last say---and tie a 10,000-pound boulder to the dealer's eBay business, and drown him where their BAY is concerned.

I well remember right after Dale Earnhardt was tragically killed in the 2001 Daytona 500. This guy where I worked had an absolutely BANZAI Earnhardt collection. He listed the whole thing on eBay, "just to see what kind of action he would get". I heard the collection had gone past $14,000, when this guy took it down. The EBAY watchdogs were boiling, and told him if he ever pulled a trick like that again, he would be banned from eBay for life. I do not know what became of that character, as I left that job a couple years later, but in retrospect, if he really intended to eventually sell his Dale Earnhardt collection, THAT was the time to do so. I think he blew it, but no doubt his collection had a very strong emotional attachment to him.

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Ebay caps their fees at 750.00. I would think on a 500k card the seller wouldn't be trying to evade such a small fee compared to 18-20% that auction houses take.
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Ebay caps their fees at 750.00. I would think on a 500k card the seller wouldn't be trying to evade such a small fee compared to 18-20% that auction houses take.
As someone who has never sold on EBAY, I was not aware that they capped their fees at $750. That puts a totally different light on the matter. Thanks for enlightening me, rats. ---Brian Powell
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As someone who has never sold on EBAY, I was not aware that they capped their fees at $750. That puts a totally different light on the matter. Thanks for enlightening me, rats. ---Brian Powell
Actually rats was not entirely accurate. If the seller has an eBay store and is a Top Rated Plus seller, his final value fees on any single card sale over $2,778.00 would only be $200.
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Scott, you yourself have brought up a most valid point, concerning the dealer listing the remainder of the Lucky 7 Find on eBay. It is difficult to pin down his modus operandi for the remaining few specimens, though I would think the EBAY people would take an extremely dim view of said dealer using their services as a high-powered spotlight to attract buyers, then steer clear of the Bay to actually do the deal, thus eliminating EBAY's rightful, though increasingly high middle man percentage fee. Since the Lucky 7 is a major hobby find, and national news item, if word gets out that sales were consummated apart from EBAY, after they were known to be listed, the Bay may have the last say---and tie a 10,000-pound boulder to the dealer's eBay business, and drown him where their BAY is concerned.

I well remember an incident soon after Dale Earnhardt was tragically killed in the 2001 Daytona 500. This guy where I worked had an absolutely BANZAI Earnhardt collection. He listed the whole thing on eBay, "just to see what kind of action he would get". I heard the collection had gone past $14,000, when this guy took it down. The EBAY watchdogs were boiling, and told him if he ever pulled a trick like that again, he would be banned from eBay for life. I do not know what became of that character, as I got laid off the job a couple years later, but in retrospect, if he really intended to eventually sell his Dale Earnhardt collection, THAT was the time to do so. I think he blew it, but no doubt his collection had a very strong emotional attachment to him.

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It is right there within the eBay's rules That sellers are allowed to cancel a transaction because Item is no longer available ... Which implies that sellers are actively trying to sell their items elsewhere it happens all the time . In your dale Earnhardt case I find it hard to believe that Ebay would make such a statement towards a seller .
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It is right there within the eBay's rules That sellers are allowed to cancel a transaction because Item is no longer available ... Which implies that sellers are actively trying to sell their items elsewhere it happens all the time . In your dale Earnhardt case I find it hard to believe that Ebay would make such a statement towards a seller .
There are 4 choices for reasons you can end an auction early. I too find it hard to believe eBay would threaten a lifetime ban on a seller for ending an auction early unless it was habitual. Here is eBay's stance on ending auctions early.

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Ending an auction-style listing early once it has received a bid can lead to disappointed and frustrated buyers who may be less likely to bid on listings the next time around. For this reason, we may charge a fee if you end a listing early. This fee is equal to the final value fee you would have paid if the listing had ended on its own and sold for the highest bid received at the time you ended the listing.

We charge this fee if you cancel bids and end an auction-style listing early without a buyer.

We don't charge this fee if you end an auction-style listing early and sell to the high bidder. (In this case, normal final value fees apply.)

This fee doesn't apply to listings in the Real Estate and eBay Motors vehicle categories, and the Classified Ads selling format.

Because we understand that sometimes it may be necessary to end a listing early, we don't charge a fee for the first auction-style listing you end early (where a fee applies) per calendar year (January 1 to December 31).
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And since these are BIN, not auction-style listings, the seller can end them early w/o any fees or consequences. It's basically free advertising.
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There are 4 choices for reasons you can end an auction early. I too find it hard to believe eBay would threaten a lifetime ban on a seller for ending an auction early unless it was habitual. Here is eBay's stance on ending auctions early.

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Ending an auction-style listing early once it has received a bid can lead to disappointed and frustrated buyers who may be less likely to bid on listings the next time around. For this reason, we may charge a fee if you end a listing early. This fee is equal to the final value fee you would have paid if the listing had ended on its own and sold for the highest bid received at the time you ended the listing.

We charge this fee if you cancel bids and end an auction-style listing early without a buyer.

We don't charge this fee if you end an auction-style listing early and sell to the high bidder. (In this case, normal final value fees apply.)

This fee doesn't apply to listings in the Real Estate and eBay Motors vehicle categories, and the Classified Ads selling format.

Because we understand that sometimes it may be necessary to end a listing early, we don't charge a fee for the first auction-style listing you end early (where a fee applies) per calendar year (January 1 to December 31).
Hang on folks. We're talking the difference between today and 2001. And we all know that ebay's policies seem to change daily, so there's no reason to doubt that what happened in 2001 might not happen today (and vice versa).

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It is right there within the eBay's rules That sellers are allowed to cancel a transaction because Item is no longer available ... Which implies that sellers are actively trying to sell their items elsewhere it happens all the time . In your dale Earnhardt case I find it hard to believe that Ebay would make such a statement towards a seller .
Well, Pete, this is what I was told about my former colleague listing his massive Earnhardt collection on eBay, and then pulling it before it ended. However, this instance was, after all, late February - early March, 2001. --Brian Powell
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Well, Pete, this is what I was told about my former colleague listing his massive Earnhardt collection on eBay, and then pulling it before it ended. However, this instance was, after all, late February - early March, 2001. --Brian Powell
well i guess ebay was like the donald back then!
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I think he caught a glimpse of a pretty girl and followed her with his eyes. But I never have noticed this. Very interesting. I wonder if any other series that has a red cobby has his eyes like that?

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I think he caught a glimpse of a pretty girl and followed her with his eyes. But I never have noticed this. Very interesting. I wonder if any other series that has a red cobby has his eyes like that?

No, just nystagmus.
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I think he caught a glimpse of a pretty girl and followed her with his eyes. But I never have noticed this. Very interesting. I wonder if any other series that has a red cobby has his eyes like that?
I'm on to something with the googly eyes
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"Best offer accepted."
I don't know how to find what that best offer was.
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The listing info has already been removed from Ebay. There is a site that you can find out what the best offers were on Ebay BINs but since the listing was removed from Ebay it isn't working. It shows up in the seller's completed listings but if you click the auction you get this: "This listing (331806099199) has been removed, or this item is not available.
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I was able to see the listing, but after checking against the next highest sold listing in the Sportscards section, all I could determine was that it sold for over $161000, since nothing more expensive than the Cobb had been sold.

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REMINDER: you can see the Best Offers by going to watchcount.com and then type the item number in. I have used it a few times
Just wanted to point out this Ebay auction, seller (bubbydude) claiming to be a Lucky 7 find. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...193&rmvSB=true
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Just wanted to point out this Ebay auction, seller (bubbydude) claiming to be a Lucky 7 find. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...193&rmvSB=true
That is the site I use but it is not working for this card.
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if i were a partial owner...definitely no scuba diving will be allowed!!!!!
Got that right! IMHO, one's worth more than a '52 Topps PSA 8 Mantle right now, and will be worth considerably more in the long run.

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I have noticed sometimes it takes up to 24 hours before you can get prices on sold items.

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have we noticed this recent listing?

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It looks like the deal must have fell through. It's definitely back up for sale by the same seller.
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