scam alert: fake psa cards from ebay seller "cardregistry"

[begsu1013]

i do. gimme a sec to find her...

[begsu1013]

here is the scan i had to provide psa in an attempt to have the card removed from someone else's set....

[GasHouseGang]

That does look "scary" good, as you said. I'm glad you got your money back.

[Jdoggs]

Wow.

[Peter_Spaeth]

So this seller's attitude was basically yeah I know I sold you a bad card but tough luck?

[begsu1013]

ehh. sorta, kinda, not really...

it was more like:

"omg, i have just sold $150K in fake cards, that i never held. what the hell was i thinking. i've already paid this guy, i got bigger fish to fry but please bear with me..."

so gave him 48hrs to refund. he said he couldn't, so i took care of it my way...

amex already credited.

[begsu1013]

was thinking about sending in the letter to get "psa/dna verified" though!

HAHA!!!

[sbfinley]

Why you ever sign up to be a middle man on eBay without handling the goods? That's asking for trouble.

[begsu1013]

that's exactly what i told him.

i honestly think and feel that this poor guy is the dupe!

[r0ck8ott0m]

That's disturbing .... I guess my confusion would be that there isn't really a way to ever know that your card that you have in hand is the initial card that was graded unless you "re-submit" the already graded card? Because who ever was doing this scam are removing the card with a lesser of a grade card and we would never ever know because the serial number will always be correct..... This sucks. I buy a lot of graded cards from psa too. So why were you sending in the already graded mantle anyways? Just wondering.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

ehh. sorta, kinda, not really...

it was more like:

"omg, i have just sold $150K in fake cards, that i never held. what the hell was i thinking. i've already paid this guy, i got bigger fish to fry but please bear with me..."

so gave him 48hrs to refund. he said he couldn't, so i took care of it my way...

amex already credited.

Great attitude. Tough shit Bob, hope you work it out with your credit card company.

[ksabet]

Uh-Oh, I bought two PSA 10 HOF Football Rc's from him in Nov. Not a huge amount, about $400 total but do you recommend me sending them in?

[begsu1013]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Great attitude. Tough shit Bob, hope you work it out with your credit card company.

yep, im good.

just another day.

[CW]

Thanks for the heads up on this, Bob! Sucks that you had to go through this process.

What were the signs that tipped you off to it being a reseal, if you don't mind sharing? The scan shows almost no signs of frosting, so that's disheartening.

PSA's note indicated that the seal was "clearly violated". Is this true?

Finally, (sorry for all the questions ) was this the older style holder where you can feel the seam along the sides, or the newer style where the bottom portion fits into the top portion? Thanks!

[begsu1013]

no, it wasn't clearly visible.

i wish i woulda took a better scan of the entire holder...

i think i did and don't want to make any accusations just yet, BUT

to answer your question:

i tried to add it to my inventory on psacard.
other owner of the other mantle said he still had his card.
psa asked me to send it in*.

and this is the kicker:

since i couldn't log it in on psacard.com b/c someone else wouldn't release the cert
i created my own spec using the "add other inventory" tab.
i always do this when someone doesn't release a cert number simply because it let's me keep pertinent info.

well, the "1967 topps mantle psa 9" along w/ the front/back scans has vanished. again, i certainly hope they wouldn't and don't know for 100% certainty but i just hope they didn't go in to my inventory page and delete something....

* i would have sent her in regardless for a reholder. i do this w/ all cards over a certain threshold for protection. the other person not releasing the cert simply pushed it from being on the back burner so to speak...

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

no, it wasn't clearly visible.

i wish i woulda took a better scan of the entire holder...

i think i did and don't want to make any accusations just yet, BUT

to answer your question:

i tried to add it to my inventory on psacard.
other owner of the other mantle said he still had his card.
psa asked me to send it in*.

and this is the kicker:

since i couldn't log it in on psacard.com b/c someone else wouldn't release the cert
i created my own spec using the "add other inventory" tab.
i always do this when someone doesn't release a cert number simply because it let's me keep pertinent info.

well, the "1967 topps mantle psa 9" along w/ the front/back scans has vanished. again, i certainly hope they wouldn't and don't know for 100% certainty but i just hope they didn't go in to my inventory page and delete something....

* i would have sent her in regardless for a reholder. i do this w/ all cards over a certain threshold for protection. the other person not releasing the cert simply pushed it from being on the back burner so to speak...

I posted long ago that all the big cards should be on the registry so if you were going to buy a card an email would go out to the 'owner' so they could challenge it if they chose to be included on an email list

in your case the real owner just so happened to be on the registry and it worked out, if the card wasnt you likely woudnt of ever known for a least a very long time and long enough you may never of gotten your money back

everyone was worried about privacy concerns of doing my suggestion but you can see it saved you and again even if 40% of the real owners chose to be on a 'owner registry' ...thats 40% more fake mantles etc that can be discovered fast...

[begsu1013]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

everyone was worried about privacy concerns of doing my suggestion but you can see it saved you and again even if 40% of the real owners chose to be on a 'owner registry' ...thats 40% more fake mantles etc that can be discovered fast...

seriously, dude?

i've never even read your post about whatever babble you decided to go on about.

in fact, i usually overlook anything you actually post.

(that's why i edited and put "NM" when i realized it was you looking for a 54 aaron 7 in your wtb thread)

but please do not try and take any credit that you saved me in any type of fashion.

i stick to my self set protocols and this card woulda been sent in for a reholder anyways.

i'm also thoroughly educated on my return parameters/time frames and the legalities involved to cover my own a$$.

i got this down to a science.

feel free to re-read the thread, but don't try to take any credit for some nonsense babble you posted god knows when.

shoo fly.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

seriously, dude?

i've never even read your post about whatever babble you decided to go on about.

in fact, i usually overlook anything you actually post.

(that's why i edited and put "NM" when i realized it was you looking for a 54 aaron 7 in your wtb thread)

but please do not try and take any credit that you saved me in any type of fashion.

i stick to my self set protocols and this card woulda been sent in for a reholder anyways.

i'm also thoroughly educated on my return parameters/time frames and the legalities involved to cover my own a$$.

i got this down to a science.

feel free to re-read the thread, but don't try to take any credit for some nonsense babble you posted god knows when.

shoo fly.

seriously dude? I not sure anyone will agree with the point of yours post...i didnt say anything against you yet you posted some wierd stuff...not sure what you mean about the Aaron as well....and also not sure what you mean that it doesn't matter when someone pointed out something..there was a past thread or two..one of them was a discussoin with Peter Spieth actually..

i was simply showing how it worked out for you and that a system could help could help the card community a large. I get that you are the master yet you still had the need to post something there....perhaps you were trying to do some good to the community..i not see what the problem is with my suggestion with was an attempt to help the card community which I made long ago and i just noted that it appeared to work for you.......no biggie go on with your attacking non-sense...... im sure you have lots of RC Aarons to sell now...maybe you should of continued to overlook my posts and done us both a favor....of course if you respond that thats one more post you arent overlooking which would than appear you havent overlooked squat....but please overlook in future..thanks

[CW]

Interesting info, Bob. Thanks.

[Jobu]

cardregistry (2419)

Last 12 months:

1,032 positive
0 neutral
0 negative

I don't post this to challenge your story, I believe you, I am just baffled that this seller doesn't have any negative feedback.

[ashes13]

The color in the Russell rookie is way off

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-TOPPS-B...cAAOSwA4dWIT9r

ditto with a bunch of others. like the 57 Cousy--

The cards look strange, but perhaps his scanner is just changing the colors significantly. Scanner could be altering the image.
Also a number of other high end cards in PSA holders just look off, but perhaps its the scans.