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Old 02-09-2016, 06:46 PM
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Default Just curious if anyone else had the same concern about this card.....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1912-T207-Br...vip=true&rt=nc

Specifically the bottom right corner.
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Old 02-09-2016, 08:07 PM
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Default please don't sell the cow

just from my opinion - no card in hand - but I think it's just an optical illusion only seen in the scan taken of the front. That corner seems to be fine when looked at from the back.
That said - the card doctors are well practiced with sophisticated tools available with which to ply their trade - and people lining up to buy their wares. Getting something altered past a TPG isn't all that tough - especially with multiple submissions going through the black hole of grading - and then they're in.
As an aside - I have returned maybe 2/3 cards over 20 years and had to accept a single return - as it turns out from the esteemed leader of this site - long before he would go on to be king :-)
Well it was around 1994 and I bought a T207 from someone who is now a friend and sometimes national table partner - early base ball collector and dealer Glenn Mechanick. I was 2 years into collecting cards and as I started to educate myself by buying books and listening to dealers. As a result I was now afraid of all the things I was reading and hearing about fakes and alterations - I saw monsters around every corner. I think it was Parsipany(?) - a table with "the old stuff" caught my eye. A quick negotiation with the guy standing smiling behind the table and the card was mine. I was excited to bring my T207 home (my first of it's type) as I was just starting an N/T type card collection of base ball cards. I sat down at my desk, put it under a table lamp and pulled out a magnifier. Oh no! There was significant crazing to the photographic surface and my mind went immediately into panic mode. I figured the surface had cracked as a result of someone cutting the card along the edge and causing something like a shattering. Argh. I've been taken! In a panic I drove back to the show (from Brooklyn) THAT DAY. I warily approached the table as I had no idea how returning the card would go. Glenn stood by quietly listening to me drone on as to my observations and suppositions (I really didn't know very much - still don't - likely it was obvious) and he took the card back without a problem - in fact he thanked me for calling it to his attention.
A few years later we started up a conversation at a show and moved onto a friendship. One of the good things about our hobby. Next time I see him I have to remember to ask if he was just placating me.
Likely there was nothing wrong with the card......
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honestly...i dont know about that one brian? it sure is a sharp card!
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i agree with the dude...optical illusion!
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Old 02-09-2016, 08:21 PM
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Not an optical illusion in my opinion.
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Old 02-09-2016, 08:43 PM
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Hard for anyone to make a conclusive determination from a scan of a card in a holder on the interweb - especially one which doesn't seem to have a glaring defect. That's my opinion. Maybe you'll get some other opinions. I hope they are in agreement with you................
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Old 02-10-2016, 06:53 AM
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to me all of the corners look just about as pointed as the others. I vote not trimmed from the scan...

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1912-T207-Br...vip=true&rt=nc

Specifically the bottom right corner.
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Old 02-14-2016, 07:26 PM
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1914-CRACKER...gAAOSwPcVVwroR

how about this? optical illusion?
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Personally I think that one is only wrinkled. '14s are really thin and I have seen that look many times before. Grading is subjective....
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That CJ looks fine to me. I've seen many rippled and wrinkled like this due to the extreme thin paper they're printed on.
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Old 02-14-2016, 07:57 PM
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wavy gravy!
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1912-T207-Br...vip=true&rt=nc

Specifically the bottom right corner.
I've handled about 100 NM-MT T207s over the years and this one has a cut that is typical of a high-grade example, some TL corner wear notwithstanding. The CJ referenced in this thread also looks fine, just warped, which can happen with this issue.
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Old 02-15-2016, 04:08 AM
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That CJ looks fine to me. I've seen many rippled and wrinkled like this due to the extreme thin paper they're printed on.
Agreed
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