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JC was already known as one of the Mastro shillers. The extent was not known though. I wonder who Jay Dyer is?
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But he isn't listed as a Shiller at all on the list...only a consignor.
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Nothing. Joe isn't the owner. If David Hall's name were on the list it would be a much different story. While you are at it please post the item that he consigned. Edit: And nice to see it wasn't him. Last edited by Dpeck100; 01-29-2016 at 09:53 AM. |
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to think the consignor was unaware of the shilling. Think that could only happen if the house had access to a maximum bid - which they apparently did - so I guess it's possible :-) Besides, I think husband of tammy copped to it.......
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To the person who suggested employees may own shares. That is probably true. But just like I work for a bank and could own shares in it, I am not the principle owner and have no ability to control what goes on at the company. A far cry from the actual owner of a private company who directly calls the shots. |
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And I've now seen information that his shill bidder possibly works for another auction house.
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David Hall, If his name was listed their stock would be down today for sure. Founder and president. Closest thing to the owner of SGC. SGC is a private company. Much different corporate structure. Last edited by Dpeck100; 01-29-2016 at 10:13 AM. |
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Beyond the stock being down, would it have bothered you.
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Certainly. These revelations are not a positive for the hobby.
If you think I am happy that the owners of SGC are wrapped up in this scandal it couldn't be further from the truth. The stock market takes no sympathy on anyone and shoots first and then asks questions later. The reality of it is that this type of news would be bad for any company and the market would price it in immediately. Last edited by Dpeck100; 01-29-2016 at 10:21 AM. |
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And I missed those old posts from husbandoftammy where he fessed up. I was off the Net54 site for a long stretch during that timeframe.
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Yes, I do think that. You ONLY come over here from across the street to either (1) bash SGC or (2) when there is controversy about a CU (of former CU) member. That's the only time you show up.
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Nobody gives a damn.
I ran across this article from 26 years ago while googling some of the names on the list...
http://articles.philly.com/1989-10-1...baseball-cards One of the most revealing moments of the convention came at a seminar on ethics. In a convention that attracted 382 dealers and more than 37,000 collectors, eight people showed up to discuss moral issues. "That pretty much tells you all you need to know about the ethics of this business," said dealer Stan Marks of Scottsdale, Ariz. "Nobody gives a damn."
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Good one!
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Who's keeping a tally:
Peter Calderon from Heritage PSA's "Board of Experts" + Authenticators Dave Forman - Owner of SGC Kevin Keating of Quality Autographs Ken Goldin from Goldin Auctions TJ Schwartz of SCD Kevin Struss of Baseball Rarities other Net54 Members (you know who you are) Events leading up to "the list"... REA president retires; SGC moves to Florida; Leon sells collection Okay, the first and last ones are probably a stretch...just sayin'
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I really see it as a conflict of interest for a grader to grade a card if that grader owns the same type of card and grade.. if POP is 1 on a card at a SGC 8 and carries a $1000+ price...I wouldn't want to see another of those cards achieve a SGC 8 for example which would double the POP and lower the value of my own card... |
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I do not think it will effect clct collectors universe stock. It will not impact the core business of submissions or the registry. SGC is a different story. Anyone on the fence about which grader to use will move away from them. Maybe a small boost for beckett. The real losers will be the individual auctions involved and already mentioned.
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http://www.psacard.com/Experts/ If you google him you will see he has had some controversy/mistaken authentications. |
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Peter, Greg...it's not an easy thing to do to admit that you were wrong and messed up. I don't know either one of you, but I appreciate you guys coming forward and at least explaining your side of the story. Would have been very easy to just lay low.
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I would think that an auction house that bars me from bidding, and from their website, for having my autograph opinions quoted in Nash's HOS (they said I worked for him, did not know giving opinions would be called working) would not also be a shill bidder. fyi - I never bid with them on anything.
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Is the only tactic available to bidders to counter act this stuff placing straight bids only?
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Originally Posted by ezez420 Wow. This quote was when this happened to me on a Pop 2 card with me owning 1. I can only guess who owns/owned the 2nd. Wow you couldnt have said it better. A very high profile card for that matter besides. so my comments have been useful to the net54 community I take it...yeah others like to say I rattle on.... well...atleast that 1 comment...to that 1 person! Last edited by ullmandds; 01-29-2016 at 12:21 PM. |
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I'm disappointed...I am...but in reality all aspects of life are filled with corruption. The best at a given skill/sport/vocation is almost always flawed in some way.
So we now all know for sure what we pretty much knew already. People will go to jail...some will leave the hobby...most wont. Many reputations will be trashed and ethics/morals questioned. It seems to me the climate was/is that pretty much everyone is doing it...so if everyone is founds to be doing the same bad things...the repercussions wont be so bad as if it were just a few. Hasn't something like this happened in just about every other type of collecting known to man. I still love the cards...I always will. So now I know for sure what I pretty much already knew...I have been overpaying for my "stuff" for years. Last edited by ullmandds; 01-29-2016 at 12:40 PM. |
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Sorry...resume witch hunt.
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