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I am very surprised that Jim Edmonds may not even get 5% of the vote. 8 Gold Glove awards. 393 career homers. 1191 RBI and 1251 Runs. .284 batting average. .376 OBP. 132 OPS+ for a great defensive center fielder. Lots of post season experience including 13 homers and .274 batting average. Maybe not quite a HOFer, but he certainly does not deserve to get the Ted Simmons treatment either. Tom C |
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Very surprised at the total lack of love for Fred McGriff. As far as I know there's never been a word spoken of him juicing and he's only 7 homers away from 500. 284 career average is pretty top flight for a slugger. I guess playing during the cartoonish steroid era is what's holding him back, but come on. The guy could hit with the best of them.
RE: Piazza, even with his early success on the public ballots he still needs 7 out of every 10 vote to get in. That's going to be tough and if he doesn't get in this year, I don't think he ever gets in. This is his weakest competition in terms of competing for votes. |
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Griffey, period. Piazza doesn't feel quite like an all-time great to me, and that's where I draw the line. Although you could certainly make a case for him statistically.
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While I don't think some of these guys would get voted in...
Griffey Bonds McGriff Morris Bagwell |
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I think you're right about McGriff. But he did hit 30 homers 10 times and drove in 100 runs 8 times. None of that seems as big as it should in the context of his inflated era, but hitters like him are rare. Especially since he had the ability to hit for average (for a slugger) too. |
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Mike Mussina won 270 games (era a tad high), look around fellas when do you think a player will post 270 career wins? Pedro had 219 wins, Schilling 216, show Moose some respect. We might not see another 300 win pitcher in our lifetime. I think 250 wins will be the new barometer of greatness.
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Griffey and Piazza for me. In the immortal words of Tony Kornheiser, 'That's it - that's the list.'
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Gray Ink Batting - 60 (426), Average HOFer ≈ 144 Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 88 (202), Likely HOFer ≈ 100 Hall of Fame Standards Batting - 39 (175), Average HOFer ≈ 50 JAWS Center Field (14th), 60.3 career WAR/42.5 7yr-peak WAR/51.4 JAWS Average HOF CF (out of 18) = 70.4 career WAR/44.0 7yr-peak WAR/57.2 JAWS In a word, no. In two words, no way. Last edited by Peter_Spaeth; 01-04-2016 at 05:02 PM. |
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My vote;
Griffey Bagwell Piazza Trammell
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Norm Cash message to his pitchers, the day after one of his evenings on the town. "If you can hold em till the seventh, I'll be ready" |
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Are you so sure? Take a look at JAWS using Fangraphs WAR instead of the BR WAR that you used. There are four HOFers at the CF position who are so far above the rest that they skew any "averages" as a result. Their career WAR numbers are so high that do you know whose career WAR is only a very small amount "above average" for a HOFer? Ken Griffey Jr. If you take Mays, Mantle, Cobb and Speaker out of the equation, take a look at where Edmonds rates against HOF CF in career WAR per Fangraphs: DiMaggio 83.1 Griffey Jr 77.7 Hamilton (Billy) 70.3 Edmonds 64.5 Snider 63.5 Carey 60.1 Dawson 59.5 Ashburn 57.4 Doby 51.1 Roush 49.6 Duffy 48.3 Averill 47.9 Puckett 44.9 Wilson 42.1 Combs 41.3 Those are the OF used in the JAWS calculation on BR (plus Griffeyband Edmonds). How about peak 7 year WAR without Cobb or Mantle or Mays or Speaker factored in? DiMaggio 52.5 Griffey 51.1 Snider 47.5 Edmonds 45.4 Hamilton 45.2 Ashburn 40.8 Doby 39.8 Dawson 38.4 Wilson 38.4 Averill 37.3 Duffy 35.8 Carey 34.4 Puckett 33.9 Combs 33.3 Roush 32.7 Yet Edmonds is going to get less than 5% of the vote and not be eligible again? Seriously? Tom C |
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Similarity ScoresExplanation of Similarity Scores
Similar Batters View Similar Player Links in Pop-up Compare Stats to Similars 1.Lance Berkman (910) 2.Ellis Burks (908) 3.Duke Snider (902) * 4.Shawn Green (886) 5.Dale Murphy (877) 6.Fred Lynn (877) 7.Larry Walker (873) 8.Alfonso Soriano (871) 9.Andruw Jones (871) 10.Moises Alou (870) * - Signifies Hall of Famer Most Similar by Ages View Similar Player Links in Pop-up Hold mouse over #'s to see names 25.Ivan Calderon (980) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C 26.Bobby Higginson (975) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C 27.Bobby Higginson (966) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C 28.Larry Doby (962) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C 29.Corey Hart (951) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C 30.J.D. Drew (965) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C 31.Jason Bay (944) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C 32.Tim Salmon (927) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C 33.Tim Salmon (932) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C 34.Tim Salmon (921) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C 35.Tim Salmon (913) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C 36.Lance Berkman (914) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C 37.Lance Berkman (925) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C 38.Ellis Burks (903) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C 40.Jason Giambi (879) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C |
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Similarity scores are offense only and not position specific.
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Fair enough, he was a very good player. Simmons was closer to a HOFer though I think.
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