Off Topic: Rangers vs Jays

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

do these playoff games seem more emotional then ever....I think I read of the teams remaining someone is going to break a drought of a minimum of 22 years (or more), maybe that's partially why.

I was thinking the same thing Paul. I don't have a dog in this postseason race, but I am enjoying the games more than I have in years. The long drought for all these teams is compelling, and a lot of Stars and young players playing at their best, and compelling story lines: Cubs - enough said; Dodgers - can they win with a $310M payroll or go bust; Mets, Royals and Jays all looking to end a long drought and have many exciting players.

I get the Cub's reaction winning for the first time at Wrigley, but watching the Jays celebrate today you would have thought they had won the WS - I liked it, but I don't recall teams reacting so much over a Division Series win. (I suppose it has a lot to do with the Jays losing the first two games and coming back to win)

[marvymelvin]

Originally Posted by V117collector

Some of you guys sound so bitter it's funny!

From one Canadian Brad to another, and for a break in the action, do you by chance have an extra Pennock or a Hoyt V117??? And any luck with the Stengel? Private message or email is fine.

[Iron Horse]

Baseball is a game of tradition and unwritten rules. I think the stare and the bat flip was a bit excessive for the 7th inning. If this was the walk off home run that won the game then i get it.
I think one can be a little more classy in victory.
As to the fans, i get it but dangerous to throw bottles which may seriously injure someone.
I don't know, maybe i am old school lol
Should be a good series

[snider4prez]

Holy sh!t like baseball was not boring enough the the rest of America besides us old nostalgic farts! Please bring the drama back this post season has been amazing!!!!! Go Dodgers!!!!!!!

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[kmac32]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

I was thinking the same thing Paul. I don't have a dog in this postseason race, but I am enjoying the games more than I have in years. The long drought for all these teams is compelling, and a lot of Stars and young players playing at their best, and compelling story lines: Cubs - enough said; Dodgers - can they win with a $310M payroll or go bust; Mets, Royals and Jays all looking to end a long drought and have many exciting players.

I get the Cub's reaction winning for the first time at Wrigley, but watching the Jays celebrate today you would have thought they had won the WS - I liked it, but I don't recall teams reacting so much over a Division Series win. (I suppose it has a lot to do with the Jays losing the first two games and coming back to win)

Being a diehard Cub fan since 1968 and having my heart broke so many times, I thought the Cubbies celebration was pretty tame. Especially since they knocked their Arch rival Cardinals out of the post season. They in general showed some class and respect for their opponents and the fans were quite well controlled. If the do win the World Series, might be a little different and I am sure Chicago will erupt. Not holding my breath but I sure do hope to see this celebration and Theo and Maddon will be treated like baseball gods.

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

Did anyone watch the Rangers vs Blue Jays and see the classless Jay fans throw beer bottles and cans on the field because the umpires made a correct call. In them throwing bottles on the field and into the lower stands, they were hitting women and children with the bottles.

Then Jose Bautista showing how he has ZERO class also watches his homer for like 5 minutes and throws the bat 30 feet away. Texas choked the game with 3 straight errors.

Hopefully blue jays get swept next round because they and their classless fans don't deserve to move on.

Wow! exaggerate much?

LET'S GO BLUEJAYS!!!

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by PolarBear

When did MLB start allowing bottles in the stadiums?

I don't live in Toronto but I have been there on numerous occasions to see the Jays play and I have never seen glass bottles in the stadium. They were aluminium cans and plastic bottles. Regardless, they should not have thrown them onto the field.

[auggiedoggy]

[QUOTE=marvymelvin;1461695]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

Yeah... but Bautista would have never batted."

Yes you are correct. But we could use the "butterfly effect" all the way back to the beginning..I.E. if the first pitch was a ball instead of strike, or player "a" doesn't spit tobacco...then...then...etc.

If Elvis hadn't dropped the ball....twice...but he did...

Every loss in the history of baseball is a choke by the losing team...Not sure how Texas choking takes away from the win by the Jays. Sorry...three straight wins...

Did anyone see that Hot Dog served at Globe life..three feet long topped with a pound of chili and a pound of onions served in a box with handles...I have been hungry ever since...gotta love ballpark hot dogs...

Back to my hockey references, throwing beer bottles in Toronto is not a Canadian thing...at hockey games we just throw weird stuff like teddy bears, hats and squids...yes squids...and then a fist fight breaks out on the ice...The beautiful goonery that is hockey can still be civil...again bad individual fans in Toronto tonight, but mostly civil...

The squid (octopus actually) toss is a Detroit thing. In Toronto they toss Leaf jersey's on the ice.

[auggiedoggy]

[QUOTE=edjs;1461700]

Originally Posted by marvymelvin

Correction, Brad, it is Octopus, not squid. And you forgot rubber rats.

The rubber rats was a Florida thing. The Panther fans used to toss hundreds of little rubber rats on the ice and it wasted too much time cleaning up the ice surface until the league got involved and banned this activity.

[packs]

Blue Jays haters in this thread are blowing my mind. They were down 0-2 and then won 3 straight, despite nearly losing the series on a dopey fluke. So when Bautista is up in the big moment (after the Rangers make 3 errors) and hits his homer, that's going to be an emotional moment. You can't blame him for taking it in.

Also, since the original poster is a Yankees fan (as am I), I find it hard to believe you can call the Jays fans classless for throwing things on the field. At the old stadium, every time fans didn't like what happened they showered the field level seats in beer from the upper deck. Hell I was at a Rangers / Yankees playoff game back in the day where they took a guy's Rangers hat off his head, lit it on fire, and then threw it from the bleachers.

[ullmandds]

to me...a lifelong yankees fan...bautista did nothing wrong. what's wrong with baseball is this old fuddy duddy mentality that celebrations are not permissable...bla bla bla! He didn't respect the game?

To me respecting the game is playing it hard...within the rules...NOT cheating...NOT electively injuring others...NOT bitching about everything.

[DanP]

First of all, I'm not a Blue Jays fan and couldn't care less who wins once the Red Sox and Yankees are out of it.

As others have mentioned, isn't baseball boring enough and now we're asking players to stop showing any emotion? The Blue Jays were upset about the previous call, even though the umps made the correct call they were still fired up.

Here's what I would say if it was my son pitching or playing infield in that game:

You don't like the opposing teams showing off? How about not allowing a home run or making errors on plays that would even upset little leaguers.

[Enfuego]

I would have to agree, I personally think Bautista did nothing wrong when flipping the bat the way he did. I'm sure if the pitcher were to sit him down on strikes and celebrated as Bats did, we would not be having this discussion. It is pure entertainment and Bautista put on a show for the fans and there is nothing wrong with that.

[PolarBear]

Originally Posted by auggiedoggy

I don't live in Toronto but I have been there on numerous occasions to see the Jays play and I have never seen glass bottles in the stadium. They were aluminium cans and plastic bottles. Regardless, they should not have thrown them onto the field.

Exactly what I was thinking. Glass bottles haven't been allowed in sports stadiums for 40 years.

I was genuinely asking because several posters in this thread were acting like people could have been killed.

I guess maybe if the bottles were full, it could have injured someone.

Honestly though, I wasn't even aware they allowed cans and plastic bottles either. I thought all drinks were served in paper cups at stadiums. That's all I've ever seen at games I've been to.

[packs]

They have plastic bottles at Yankee Stadium. It's a soft plastic though, not like a thermos kind of plastic. If you got dinged by a full bottle, it would definitely hurt. But you aren't going throw a full $13 beer, even if you're mad.

[Enfuego]

Originally Posted by packs

They have plastic bottles at Yankee Stadium. It's a soft plastic though, not like a thermos kind of plastic. If you got dinged by a full bottle, it would definitely hurt. But you aren't going throw a full $13 beer, even if you're mad.

+1

[dealme]

Originally Posted by auggiedoggy

I don't live in Toronto but I have been there on numerous occasions to see the Jays play and I have never seen glass bottles in the stadium. They were aluminium cans and plastic bottles. Regardless, they should not have thrown them onto the field.

I went to my only Jays game in Toronto four years ago. There may have been 5,000 people there. I'm fairly certain that a corpse could have been thrown out of the upper deck during the game and no one would have noticed. On the plus side, I was able to buy the cheapest ticket in the place and still sit about six rows off the field.

I commented to a friend after Odor scored in the 7th that I didn't get the fan outrage since 1) It's clearly defined in the rules that it was a live ball and 2) The Jays still had nine outs to find a way to score a run (with arguable the most potent offense in baseball).

I didn't like the bat flip (or Rodney's bow and arrow antics) simply because of the timing. Had the homerun been of the walk-off variety (or had Rodney closed the game out), I'd be ok with it. I understand that it's probably an age / generational difference, but that type of behavior would not have flown with any of my coaches.

Regardless, it all makes for good entertainment. Bat flips or not, I love this time of year.

Mark

[Peter_Spaeth]

Sort of lost in the bat flip tempest is the incredible, perhaps unprecedented implosion of Elvis Andrus.

[trobba]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I was at both Mets-Dodgers games in NY and the fans were screaming for Chase Utley's head. Yet there were no bottles or trash thrown onto the field. I can't remember the last time I saw fans do what Toronto's did today.

I was at Citi on Monday also and the venom unleashed at Utley was pretty over the top. Yet instead of retribution, the Mets did what you are supposed to and let their play do the talking...and as far as bat tosses, if you have an issue with Bautista, then where were you with Cespedes?? He launched his bat 15 ft in the air on his bomb.

But as Jeff said, nothing was thrown onto the field, and what the Toronto fans did was a bad move. Even when Gonzalez hit a HR and the ball was thrown back, the PA announcer said that fans should refrain from throwing things for the safety of everyone and they could be immediately ejected from the stadium.

[mantleman]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

I am not a Jays fan, but I couldn’t blame the reaction of the Toronto Fans, because if they had lost the game on such an absurd play, that would have been a travesty. I don’t condone the bottle throwing – as that was very dangerous – but if I was a Jays fan in those stands I would be going crazy too (we all would whether we thought the call was right or not).

As for Bautista, I enjoyed every second of his stare down and flip - pure entertainment, which is what I tune in for. (but if it was my team he did that against I would hate him and despise his actions .) You have to realize the emotion of that moment and the entire game.

As far fans cheering cheaters - every fan for every team does it if the player is on your team. Boston and LA fans cheered Manny Ramirez, SF cheered Bonds, Milwaukee cheers for Braun…and so on…(remember Dodger fans wildly cheering for Ramirez from "Mannywood" in left field even after he was suspended 50 games for PEDs?)

The fact is if they are on your team you cheer pretty much unconditionally (if your team is winning), and if they are on the other team you hate, despise and think of every way to bash them.

Well said.....a lot of people are unhappy with Jays success this year and they feel they still have a lot to prove. Look at Harold Reynolds and his idiotic comments about Canadians not knowing how to catch a ball.......anyone see the Yankees fan miss three foul balls in one game???

As for Bautista......can you imagine the emotion the team was going through after the incident with the catcher missing te throw and hitting the bat leading to a run that put Texas in the lead.....Holy cow.....can you imagine if that game ended up 3-2 final.....crazy.

I'm Canadian and yes classless fans throwing junk onto the field is inexcusable but I can guarantee it has happened at every stadium in every sporting event.

Andy

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Bautista is a douche, simple as that. I too hope Toronto gets swept.

+1 Jay! Zero class and can you imagine what pitchers like Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez, etc. would have done to him after a classless act like that! He has no respect for the game, and is an OVERATED hitter because he only beats up average at best pitchers to bulk up his numbers.

JoeT.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

to me...a lifelong yankees fan...bautista did nothing wrong. what's wrong with baseball is this old fuddy duddy mentality that celebrations are not permissable...bla bla bla! He didn't respect the game?

To me respecting the game is playing it hard...within the rules...NOT cheating...NOT electively injuring others...NOT bitching about everything.

NOTHING WRONG??? You obviously know very little about a "code of honor" among players. Virtually every MLB/ESPN analyst, especially the ones who played the game, have blasted his actions. This is the highest level of professional baseball, not some schoolyard "pick-up" game among neighborhood friends.

[packs]

We aren't wearing suits to the game anymore. And we live in the age of celebrating yourself. Take a look at anyone's Facebook feed. If we get into football territory where after every single some guy does a cartwheel, then I'm with you.

[V117collector]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

+1 Jay! Zero class and can you imagine what pitchers like Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez, etc. would have done to him after a classless act like that! He has no respect for the game, and is an OVERATED hitter because he only beats up average at best pitchers to bulk up his numbers.

JoeT.

OMG! OVERATED HITTER, are you 4real? now thats funny!

[Enfuego]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

NOTHING WRONG??? You obviously know very little about a "code of honor" among players. Virtually every MLB/ESPN analyst, especially the ones who played the game, have blasted his actions. This is the highest level of professional baseball, not some schoolyard "pick-up" game among neighborhood friends.

But it's ok for a pitcher who got a big strikeout to act a fool?!

[Peter_Spaeth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agkJ5WFNL4k

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by Enfuego

But it's ok for a pitcher who got a big strikeout to act a fool?!

Never said it was.....

[Enfuego]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

Never said it was.....

Well therefore it is perfectly ok for Bautista to react the way he did, on top of that I'll give you 3 reasons as to why it is ok.
1. It was a home game
2. It was justified for the situation the Jays were in.
3. The fans loved it!

[Jim F]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

+1 Jay! Zero class and can you imagine what pitchers like Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez, etc. would have done to him after a classless act like that! He has no respect for the game, and is an OVERATED hitter because he only beats up average at best pitchers to bulk up his numbers.

JoeT.

Bautista is neither a douche nor over rated. He has hit home runs off the best of them and is an upstanding citizen. The bat flip was a little over the top but no one noticed it till they showed it 300 times on the highlights. Everyone in the park, including myself, had our eyes on the ball he crushed for a clutch homer.
Some of you have to stop living in the past. Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez were great pitchers but there's some great pitchers coming out of the generation we live in also!!

I looked at a Texas paper online to read their perspective and all this didn't seem to be an issue. What they were talking about was the monumental collapse and little league type errors.

As for the fans, that was terrible and not what Toronto is about. A couple drunk punks in the upper level started throwing beer and all of a sudden it was mob mentality. I can tell you though that right away people started pointing out those throwing stuff and the bulk of the crowd turned on them. That's something I'm sure espn didn't mention.

[MartyFromCANADA]

Hey! Would you call Babe Ruth a douche for calling a homer while standing in the box? Showing off has always been a part of sports. I wish we saw more of it. Why does the NFL have the nick name, No Fun League? Penalties for celebrations. Like others have said, "you don't want to be embarrassed, don't give up the homerun." The bat flip was obviously unplanned, so you have to account it to emotion in the moment. Bautisa quote, "I wasn't trying to disrespect anyone."

As for the beer cans, It happens more than we like to remember.

...and yes, I am a Blue Jays fan. GO JAYS GO!

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

+1 Jay! Zero class and can you imagine what pitchers like Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez, etc. would have done to him after a classless act like that! He has no respect for the game, and is an OVERATED hitter because he only beats up average at best pitchers to bulk up his numbers.

JoeT.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by V117collector

OMG! OVERATED HITTER, are you 4real? now thats funny!

Is it??? In 12 FULL seasons he's batted LES THAN .250 4x and below .260 3x. Seven out of twelve seasons batting below .260??? True, power numbers are good (.865 OPS which rank him 15th among current players), but his lifetime .257 average is extremely suspect. No doubt he's a formidable hitter but certainly not a "great" hitter. I've watched him over the past 12 seasons and cant help but think his good power numbers have been at the expense of beating up on many below average pitchers. Only my opinion....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Never hit more than 16 HR, then hits 54? Did he discover spinach?

[V117collector]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

Is it??? In 12 FULL seasons he's batted LES THAN .250 4x and below .260 3x. Seven out of twelve seasons batting below .260??? True, power numbers are good (.865 OPS which rank him 15th among current players), but his lifetime .257 average is extremely suspect. No doubt he's a formidable hitter but certainly not a "great" hitter. I've watched him over the past 12 seasons and cant help but think his good power numbers have been at the expense of beating up on many below average pitchers. Only my opinion....

http://m.mlb.com/tor/video/topic/887...s-54-home-runs

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by Jim F

Bautista is neither a douche nor over rated. He has hit home runs off the best of them and is an upstanding citizen. The bat flip was a little over the top but no one noticed it till they showed it 300 times on the highlights. Everyone in the park, including myself, had our eyes on the ball he crushed for a clutch homer.
Some of you have to stop living in the past. Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez were great pitchers but there's some great pitchers coming out of the generation we live in also!!

I looked at a Texas paper online to read their perspective and all this didn't seem to be an issue. What they were talking about was the monumental collapse and little league type errors.

As for the fans, that was terrible and not what Toronto is about. A couple drunk punks in the upper level started throwing beer and all of a sudden it was mob mentality. I can tell you though that right away people started pointing out those throwing stuff and the bulk of the crowd turned on them. That's something I'm sure espn didn't mention.

FYI, I was at the 1973 Mets vs. Reds NLCS game #3 at Shea Stadium when Rose barreled into Harrelson. I was a huge Mets fane and "sad to say", the bottle/can throwing at Rose in left field was absolutely despicable. Even more scary was the fact that there were GLASS bottles back then and someone (like Rose) could have been seriously hurt. Sometimes a few bad apples/drunken bleacher bums can set a poor example for the otherwise great number of fans. Point well taken and I really don't think people will single out Toronto as a whole for those few rotten apples. Unfortunately, I will always be old school with respect to showing some form of class on the field. Flipping a bat is one thing, but doing it in the manner that Bautista did was way over the top.

[baseball tourist]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

I am not a Jays fan, but I couldn’t blame the reaction of the Toronto Fans, because if they had lost the game on such an absurd play, that would have been a travesty. I don’t condone the bottle throwing – as that was very dangerous – but if I was a Jays fan in those stands I would be going crazy too (we all would whether we thought the call was right or not).

As for Bautista, I enjoyed every second of his stare down and flip - pure entertainment, which is what I tune in for. (but if it was my team he did that against I would hate him and despise his actions .) You have to realize the emotion of that moment and the entire game.

As far fans cheering cheaters - every fan for every team does it if the player is on your team. Boston and LA fans cheered Manny Ramirez, SF cheered Bonds, Milwaukee cheers for Braun…and so on…(remember Dodger fans wildly cheering for Ramirez from "Mannywood" in left field even after he was suspended 50 games for PEDs?)

The fact is if they are on your team you cheer pretty much unconditionally (if your team is winning), and if they are on the other team you hate, despise and think of every way to bash them.

What Joe said...except that I am a Jays fan, and have been since my Pops took me to the inaugural game in 1977.

Jose's bat flip was a cathartic gesture, shaking off 8 years (his) and 23 years (Jays fans) of frustration.

The "fans" that threw beer cans should be embarrassed. I attended Game 1 and 2 in Toronto and despite a terrible strike zone being utilised by the umps, nothing like that happened. The team have seen their share of band-wagon jumpers, that don't understand the game and are there to get drunk and party, like any successful team. Pls don't paint the whole fanbase and town with this brush.

Good luck to KC...they will need it!

[Bugsy]

Nothing new here...

OCTOBER 19, 2004

Fans throw items onto the field after Alex Rodriguez #13 of the New York Yankees was called out on a tag at first base by Pitcher Bronson Arroyo #61 of the Boston Red Sox in the eighth inning during game six of the American League Championship Series.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

FYI, I was at the 1973 Mets vs. Reds NLCS game #3 at Shea Stadium when Rose barreled into Harrelson. I was a huge Mets fane and "sad to say", the bottle/can throwing at Rose in left field was absolutely despicable. Even more scary was the fact that there were GLASS bottles back then and someone (like Rose) could have been seriously hurt. Sometimes a few bad apples/drunken bleacher bums can set a poor example for the otherwise great number of fans. Point well taken and I really don't think people will single out Toronto as a whole for those few rotten apples. Unfortunately, I will always be old school with respect to showing some form of class on the field. Flipping a bat is one thing, but doing it in the manner that Bautista did was way over the top.

Never said there aren't great pitchers today but what's your point? The major difference is that great pitchers TODAY have their hands tied because they are limited in brushing back hitters with respect to risking ejection. Do you really think that "Joey Bats" would ever get away with that juvenile crap if he could be legitimately brushed back at will....no way!!! in fact, watching "Joey Bats" over the past decade, he is one of the first hitters that will stare down any hurler for pitching him even remotely inside. Unfortunately, he is certainly not the only hitter that sends that message, proving beyond a doubt how much the game has changed over the past generation.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

Never said there aren't great pitchers today but what's your point? The major difference is that great pitchers TODAY have their hands tied because they are limited in brushing back hitters with respect to risking ejection. Do you really think that "Joey Bats" would ever get away with that juvenile crap if he could be legitimately brushed back at will....no way!!! in fact, watching "Joey Bats" over the past decade, he is one of the first hitters that will stare down any hurler for pitching him even remotely inside. Unfortunately, he is certainly not the only hitter that sends that message, proving beyond a doubt how much the game has changed over the past generation.

Hey Joe
I think you are arguing with yourself? Are you going to sue Archive next?

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

+1 Jay! Zero class and can you imagine what pitchers like Gibson, Drysdale, Seaver, P.Martinez, etc. would have done to him after a classless act like that! He has no respect for the game, and is an OVERATED hitter because he only beats up average at best pitchers to bulk up his numbers.

JoeT.

Maybe he wouldn't beat up on such average pitchers if that's all the Yankees kept putting out there against him.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Sort of lost in the bat flip tempest is the incredible, perhaps unprecedented implosion of Elvis Andrus.

He's become the Mike Andrews of this generation. (Old guy reference).

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

Never said there aren't great pitchers today but what's your point? The major difference is that great pitchers TODAY have their hands tied because they are limited in brushing back hitters with respect to risking ejection. Do you really think that "Joey Bats" would ever get away with that juvenile crap if he could be legitimately brushed back at will....no way!!! in fact, watching "Joey Bats" over the past decade, he is one of the first hitters that will stare down any hurler for pitching him even remotely inside. Unfortunately, he is certainly not the only hitter that sends that message, proving beyond a doubt how much the game has changed over the past generation.

I can't believe how many people think that it's acceptable to hit someone with a pitch just because they did something to annoy the other pitcher/ team. Instead of saying "the game has changed", maybe we should ask why that sort of behavior was allowed in the first place.

How many guys have had their careers shortened or ended by being hit with a pitch? Tony Conigliaro, Dickie Thon, Kirby Puckett, Mickey Cochrane just off the top of my head. And of course Ray Chapman. And yet we long for the days when Bob Gibson would hit someone for taking too much time circling the bases after a home run, or Drysdale would hit a guy just for digging in against him? I like that umpires will now throw a pitcher out of the game if they think that he threw at a batter intentionally.

I don't really care for bat flipping, but I really think that drilling a guy for "showing up the pitcher" is excessive. Get over it! A guy hit a big home run, off course he wants to celebrate.

[mattsey9]

Here's our next generation's reaction to Joey Bats. May this kid never forget this moment.

https://youtu.be/JnhwBEmRt5Y

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Didn't a Yankee fan chuck a chair at "his own teams" player.



"A story like thats gotta be true."



Yankee fans and class doesn't really go in the same sentence unless there is "less" behind it.

Didn't a "Yankee" fan do that to Maris in the summer of '61?


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[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I was at both Mets-Dodgers games in NY and the fans were screaming for Chase Utley's head. Yet there were no bottles or trash thrown onto the field. I can't remember the last time I saw fans do what Toronto's did today.

Am I the only one who thought that slide was not as bad as everyone made it out to be? I mean he stayed in the base paths.......

[Laxcat]

Toronto fans were gross. At least now I have a team to root for. Utley's move was bush league chickensh*t.

[packs]

I understand the frustration with what Utley did, but doing that changed the game for LA. They aren't playing for the championship series tonight without it. So as much as I don't like what he did, I'd want him doing it for my team.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I understand the frustration with what Utley did, but doing that changed the game for LA. They aren't playing for the championship series tonight without it. So as much as I don't like what he did, I'd want him doing it for my team.

Oh that justifies it.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

Am I the only one who thought that slide was not as bad as everyone made it out to be? I mean he stayed in the base paths.......

Why doesn't that shortstop share in the blame? Any other middle infielder would have taken the force out and gotten out of the basepath. But Tejada tries to pirouette like a ballerina, when he has absolutely no chance to complete the double play. What was he doing?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Sean

Why doesn't that shortstop share in the blame? Any other middle infielder would have taken the force out and gotten out of the basepath. But Tejada tries to pirouette like a ballerina, when he has absolutely no chance to complete the double play. What was he doing?

The guy practically gets assaulted and you're blaming HIM?

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The guy practically gets assaulted and you're blaming HIM?

Agreed. One of the dumber comments I've ever heard on this board.