Help understanding the rarity of T213-3 with Overprint

[Blunder19]

Hi Everyone,

I'm doing a little research on the T213 Coupon Type 3 set. I understand the cards came with 2 different backs. the more common back:


and a rarer factory 8 overprint back:


How rare are the factory 8 overprint backs? specifically regarding the Red Cobb pose does anyone know how many confirmed copies exist? below is the only known red cobb i have been able to find so far with a factory 8 overprint.. i would like to see if anyone knows of another... is the below a 1 of 1?
thanks!

[buymycards]

Hi Jamie, I did a quick search and came up with some info, though it is far from complete.

PSA has graded 1 card - Eddie Collins

SGC does not list any overprints.

Net54 shows Chris Browne with a Chase portrait, trobba with a Chase throwing, and Leon's Heritage auction had a Cobb bat off.

I would love to see some others.

Rick

[atx840]

I believe there are 4, maybe 5 Cobb bat offs but only the one portrait you posted.

[trobba]

A simple search uncovered this previous discussion...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ghlight=t213-3

And to answer your question, overprints are MUCH harder to find, many exist only as 1/1 variations as far as I can tell.

[kdixon]

I have this Wheat. I look on ebay from time to time for them and will be like 70 or 80 type threes and no overprints.

[MMarvelli]

SGC lists the type 3 overprints as "Factory No. 8"

T213-3 Doyle, Larry (bat) (F+B).jpg

T213-3 Hoblitzel, Dick (F+B).jpg

[trobba]

So to get it on this thread, this is the confirmed list as best I can come up with:

Cobb - both red portrait and batting**
mathewson
hoblitzell**
mcgraw port** and glove hip
E collins**
chase - portrait, trophy and throwing**
davis
dubuc
magee
elberfeld**
sweeney
merkle
evers
speaker
donovan
gandil
griffith
bender trees and no trees**
wheat
marquard pitching
Doyle batting

** cards with multiple confirmed examples

[buymycards]

The Standard Catalog also lists Jennings both hands, so that makes 27 of 70 cards in the Type 3 set.

[brass_rat]

I have a Johnson overprint.

Cheers,
Steve

[cfc1909]

here is an REA auction for Doolan fielding with factory 8

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...x?itemid=33843

[atx840]

Nice to see you post Jim.

[mrvster]

one of the true historians of the issues...........I knew he would post again!

THANK GOD!

great to hear from you jimmy......you are one of the collectors who really solidified my passion for collecting 206......you have educated me more than prob anyone on the 206 set...I miss the good 'ole days of battling it out on the bay w cfc1909......."who the hell is this guy??!!! he's killing me on all the rarities".................

seeing you post put a big smile on my face......this place was MUCH better with frequent posts from you and tim


peace my friend......you were missed greatly!

[obcmac]

Originally Posted by kdixon

I have this Wheat. I look on ebay from time to time for them and will be like 70 or 80 type threes and no overprints.

Love the type 3's. I don't know if the "70-80" is reflective of the sample though...as about 98% of those are from the same collection...and seem to be priced in the card museum range. Quick look at the sgc population...with about 270 slabbed...would 10% of type threes being overprinted be a reasonable guess?

I'm up to 7 total cards now (no overprints)...a long way to go.

Mac

[tedzan]

Still looking for a T213-3 Factory #8 overprint of Chase......and, the T213-2 (Buffalo) version to complete my 5-some sub-set.

Any help is greatly appreciated.


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Thanks guys,


TED Z
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[atx840]

I'm sure we could figure something out Ted

[ullmandds]

cris u cant break up that run!!!!

[1880nonsports]

Ted says he hates you now :-)

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

cris u cant break up that run!!!!

DITTO

Originally Posted by 1880nonsports

Ted says he hates you now :-)

I have a couple of blue Chase's that Chris is really interested in. It's a ongoing game we play....trading blue Chase's to each other.

Anyhow, since I'm such a considerate dude, I will not tempt Chris to break up his COUPON "5-some" .


TED Z
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[RCMcKenzie]

I had some bids in on the REA lot that Jim referenced w/ the Factory 8 back. I was bidding b/c I needed all 3 of those cards toward the T213-3 set. Regular T213-3's are difficult to find with the factory 3 designation. With the factory 8 back as a goal, you might look for a long time for a specific card. I don't have any Factory 8's b/c they go for a premium to type collectors. I wouldn't consider a back run incomplete w/o the Factory 8 back, but it would be fun to have.

On a side note, I still need Greminger, Hickman, LaPorte & Rhoades to complete the T213-1 set...Ted, I can send over this T213-2 Chase Buffalo as a finder's fee, if you can help find one of these remaining four cards... Will also trade lopsidedly with anyone else who has one of these. Thanks, Rob

[tedzan]

Rob

I have hit a "brick wall" regarding 1910 COUPON cards lately. I have not acquired any of them in the past year. However, I'll certainly be on the look-out
for any of those last 4 cards you need to complete your set.

Can you please email me...... tedzan11@comcast.net


TED Z
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[trobba]

[Jobu]

It is taking a little courage to post this because Mark's Dick is clearly nicer than mine, but I wanted to share too.

[ullmandds]

sign me up...I'm now in this club!!!!

[Jobu]

Welcome Pete!! I am happy to see you get one for your run.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

sign me up...I'm now in this club!!!!

Nice Pete!!! Donlin (bat) would make a nice back run ( the Broadleaf 460, Black & Brown Lenox are unconfirmed).

[BleedinBlue]

Originally Posted by Jobu

It is taking a little courage to post this because Mark's Dick is clearly nicer than mine, but I wanted to share too.

Too much information?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Nice Pete!!! Donlin (bat) would make a nice back run ( the Broadleaf 460, Black & Brown Lenox are unconfirmed).

Haha...NOPE! MY T213 Donlin run is now complete!!!

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Haha...NOPE! MY T213 Donlin run is now complete!!!

Oh well, I tried. I thought maybe you could work on this a little while
you're waiting on those tough three or four Millers you still need.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Haha...NOPE! MY T213 Donlin run is now complete!!!

Nice going Pete. Show us the whole run.

[Sean]

I'm a little late to the party, but here's my Factory 8:


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[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Sean

Nice going Pete. Show us the whole run.

+1 Congrats, Pete!

[ullmandds]

here you go.

[ullmandds]

backs

[atx840]

Awesome Pete, congrats on securing the F8.

[edjs]

Originally Posted by obcmac

Love the type 3's. I don't know if the "70-80" is reflective of the sample though...as about 98% of those are from the same collection...and seem to be priced in the card museum range. Quick look at the sgc population...with about 270 slabbed...would 10% of type threes being overprinted be a reasonable guess?

I'm up to 7 total cards now (no overprints)...a long way to go.

Mac

When you mentioned "seem to be priced in the card museum range," it made me wonder, what is a normal price for a type 3? I have a Bridwell PSA 2 that I bought a while back, it was being listed as a type 2, but when I got it, I realized it was a type 3. I have always wondered what it was really worth, as all I ever see are those museum prices on e-bay. I know it isn't a $750-1200 card, but what would be a fair estimate? Anyone care to give a swag?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by edjs

When you mentioned "seem to be priced in the card museum range," it made me wonder, what is a normal price for a type 3? I have a Bridwell PSA 2 that I bought a while back, it was being listed as a type 2, but when I got it, I realized it was a type 3. I have always wondered what it was really worth, as all I ever see are those museum prices on e-bay. I know it isn't a $750-1200 card, but what would be a fair estimate? Anyone care to give a swag?

there is a fair amount of pricing history for t213-3's out there. really depends a lot on who the player is and how badly someone wants it???? But it seems type 3's in nice shape(vgish) are selling in the 4-500 range for commons...with OP's selling 25% or so higher.

[trobba]

Hi Ed, I guess the obvious answer to find out what it is really worth is to put it in an auction of some kind.

If you intend to keep it and simply want an educated guess I would say anywhere from $100 - $350...I know the range is a bit absurd, but there are so little data points on the t213-3 cards that they are really hit or miss. The actual sale price (if you listed it) would likely fall in the middle, and probably closer to the lower end. However, due to the extreme scarcity of the set, all it takes is a Bridwell fan (or Bridwell back collector) and someone who wants a t213-3 example to get it close to the top end.

Hope that is helpful...Rob

[trobba]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

there is a fair amount of pricing history for t213-3's out there. really depends a lot on who the player is and how badly someone wants it???? But it seems type 3's in nice shape(vgish) are selling in the 4-500 range for commons...with OP's selling 25% or so higher.

I would say OP's sell for at least 50% higher and often more.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by trobba

I would say OP's sell for at least 50% higher and often more.

well using your estimates for regular type 3's...I'd agree.

Personally...I have not seen type 3's for sale under 200 each in my memory?

[trobba]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

well using your estimates for regular type 3's...I'd agree.

Personally...I have not seen type 3's for sale under 200 each in my memory?

It looked like Ed was talking about a PSA 2 card, maybe you are talking about PSA 3 cards (VG)? ~ could account for our price discrepancy.

What grade are you referring to for not selling under $200?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by trobba

It looked like Ed was talking about a PSA 2 card, maybe you are talking about PSA 3 cards (VG)? ~ could account for our price discrepancy.

What grade are you referring to for not selling under $200?

well honestly i'm not a very grade sensitive collector!!!!! esp regarding an issue as rare as t213-3...if its presentable and intact...it's good for my collection!!!! There have been a load of very low grade t213-3's on ebay for a few years now with very high bin's...one or two of which I have acquired over the years...for closer to $400 each.

[edjs]

Thanks for the answers, guys. I really am just wondering, like I said, I bought the card at type 2 costs, and I know type 3s go for more, so I was just trying to figure out, well really, how good a deal I got. Sometimes I need to pat myself on the back, even though for every good deal I get, I have many more over-paying deals. Thanks again for the thoughts.

[trobba]

While we are it, have shown this before, but here is the only known double overprint...scan is a bit blurry but you get the drift ~ o/p strike in middle of card is actually clear on the card, my scanning skills are not great.

[ullmandds]

Awesome card!!!!! But me thinks the t206 museum guy who falsified those OM w/overprints may have got a hold of your t213-3 chase and practiced on it!!!!

Originally Posted by trobba

While we are it, have shown this before, but here is the only known double overprint...scan is a bit blurry but you get the drift ~ o/p strike in middle of card is actually clear on the card, my scanning skills are not great.

[Sean]

Hey Rob, it looks to me like a triple overprint.

[Sean]

I'm bumping this thread for the benefit of the new investment group and anyone else who likes Factory 8 overprints.

[Republicaninmass]

I noticed they said serious offers, but if they aint paying strong, I aint selling

[brianp-beme]

I can't convince my investment group to pursue these Coupon overprints...damn their intractable investment theories and strategies!

Brian