battlefield0516 t206 on ebay

[Luke]

This scumbag has listed a bunch of t206 that look really nice. They are most likely photoshopped. Just a heads up.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=185850

[jlehma13]

Thanks, Luke. Hopefully this thread can remain up top for all to see.

[Cozumeleno]

Funny thing was that in my regular daily T206 searches, I saw a bunch of these and didn't even need to click on them to know whose they were just by the titles

[pawpawdiv9]

Yep, we got a few post-war threads on this guy as well from a few collectors.

[rednecksims]

I almost fell for a few of his auctions but recognized the name from another site where they had listed is fraudulent auctions. Too bad as some of the "scans" would make some nice cards.

David

[The Nasty Nati]

I bought a raw t206 Huggins Hands At Mouth from him about a year ago. In the description he had all this bs like it was the nicest raw example you'll ever find of this Hofer. From the picture I could tell the corners were a bit rounded, but I figured it would still be in GD to VG condition. But after receiving it in the mail, there was heavy paper loss in the bottom left corner that never showed up in the photo. It was as if he lightened the photo of the card enough to make it seem undetectable.

I didnt spend all that much on the card so I wasn't too bummed, but if you describe a card as VG+ and you know darn well it's not, that's a shady seller.

[slipk1068]

I guess I am lucky. He or she blocked me from bidding.

[mybuddyinc]

Also got to love NO back scans ....... but stated has "nice back."


Not sure where "nice" fits into anyone's grading scale.

[rdixon1208]

Some of the T205's that were sold last week are back on ebay. I bought the Joss from him and the scan was clearly Photoshopped. He refunded my money right away. I left him negative feedback. Now the same card is back on ebay with the same photoshopped scan. This seller is a fraudulent POS!

Robert Dixon

[willworkforT206]

battlefield0516 is a person named Carol who resides in Dothan, Alabama. I won a couple of the raw T205 auctions that ended on May 5th. When I received the cards I was really disappointed. The backs of both cards had thick, dark, golden brown, horizontal lines covering them. They looked awful!

I usually don't bid on listings without back scans, but took my chances based on the very positive descriptions and the return policy. I've requested a refund and mailed the cards back recently. The person has been cooperative so far.

The front scans for the T205s I won didn't appear to be photoshopped, but the cards were definitely removed from a scrapbook. I noticed the person listed more T205s yesterday and none of the listings have back scans.

Steve

[Joshchisox08]

I'd better start paying attention to whom I'm buying from off of eBay. But usually it's always the same people. And some people from here.

If you guys wan't I'll give him an earful lol. It's not like I haven't done that in the past to sellers. I'll get in the ring just need someone to ring the bell for me ...........................Round 1 ................

[Econteachert205]

The seller sells a lot of legit cards with only a few shopped cards (usually higher priced) mixed in. That's why they still get a high volume of positive feedback.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by mybuddyinc

Also got to love NO back scans ....... but stated has "nice back."


Not sure where "nice" fits into anyone's grading scale.

this would of been the world we would of lived in if no TPG.......lots of 'mint' cards.and lots of 'argument's upon receipt....

[bbcardzman]

Originally Posted by willworkforT206

battlefield0516 is a person named Carol who resides in Dotham, Alabama. I won a couple of the raw T205 auctions that ended on May 5th. When I received the cards I was really disappointed. The backs of both cards had thick, dark, golden brown, horizontal lines covering them. They looked awful!

I usually don't bid on listings without back scans, but took my chances based on the very positive descriptions and the return policy. I've requested a refund and mailed the cards back recently. The person has been cooperative so far.

The front scans for the T205s I won didn't appear to be photoshopped, but the cards were definitely removed from a scrapbook. I noticed the person listed more T205s yesterday and none of the listings have back scans.

Steve

I won a couple of these T205's a week or so ago and all of the pics were photoshopped and the backs were the same as the ones you got with thick, dark, golden brown, horizontal lines covering them.

http://t205photos.webs.com/

First pic is the one in the eBay listing and the other two are of the card I received complete with a few creases, a lot more edge chipping and of course the horrible back.

I still haven't received a response from them though and this is day 5. I'm starting to get a little upset about it. What else did you guys do to get a response from this idiot?

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

If you guys wan't I'll give him an earful lol. It's not like I haven't done that in the past to sellers. I'll get in the ring just need someone to ring the bell for me ...........................Round 1 ................

There have been threads about this seller in the past selling fake cards. I gave him an earful at that time and reported him to ebay. All I got for it was a nasty response and he banned me from bidding in his auctions.

This is a good thing. Anyone who wants to be sure to never make the mistake of bidding in his auctions should give him an earful. He is sure to ban you for it

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by slipk1068

There have been threads about this seller in the past selling fake cards. I gave him an earful at that time and reported him to ebay. All I got for it was a nasty response and he banned me from bidding in his auctions.

This is a good thing. Anyone who wants to be sure to never make the mistake of bidding in his auctions should give him an earful. He is sure to ban you for it

Haha you make a good point I'll give him an earful this weekend after a few pints. I'll do myself a favor by getting banned !

Another idea is a mass messaging him from people on this board to piss him off no ?

[Luke]

I don't know if it will accomplish anything, but I just reported one of their listings using:

listing practices>fraudulent listing activities>you suspect that a listing is fraudulent

Maybe if we all do this, ebay will take notice.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by rdixon1208

Some of the T205's that were sold last week are back on ebay. I bought the Joss from him and the scan was clearly Photoshopped. He refunded my money right away. I left him negative feedback. Now the same card is back on ebay with the same photoshopped scan. This seller is a fraudulent POS!

Robert Dixon

Thanks for the heads up AND the ebay feedback! I was looking at the newly listed Joss, went back to the feedback and saw the neg (on the Joss), and figured he just relisted the same card. Wasn't planning on bidding, but wanted to follow it to see what happens next.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

I don't know if it will accomplish anything, but I just reported one of their listings using:

listing practices>fraudulent listing activities>you suspect that a listing is fraudulent

Maybe if we all do this, ebay will take notice.

That's what I was getting at Luke !! And we all do it like on the same day haha. Hey maybe eBay will give em a slap on the wrist this time ??

[Eggoman]

It appears that the T205 Joss is no longer at auction and has been taken down.

[Laxcat]

I don't understand this guy. He risks his business to sell a few cards. Why not just label them correctly. Someone will buy them. Not everyone is looking for great condition. Of course, he wouldn't be making as much money. You would think that maybe if he represented the cards correctly the collectors that collect that grade would buy his lesser condition stuff.

I stand by my original statement. Battlefield is a reprobate. He should be put out of business and run out of town. He is no better than the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons.

MATTHEW CHARLTON

[pclpads]

Seller just ran a '56T Koufax PSA 7 that closed yesterday at $310 w/ 31 bids. No back pic. Trying to upgrade my 6 and was tempted to bid. But, thanks to alarms raised in this thread, decided to pass.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by pclpads

Seller just ran a '56T Koufax PSA 7 that closed yesterday at $310 w/ 31 bids. No back pic. Trying to upgrade my 6 and was tempted to bid. But, thanks to alarms raised in this thread, decided to pass.

I think the graded cards are OK. The issue with battlefield has always been, and will always be the ungraded stuff.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I think the graded cards are OK. The issue with battlefield has always been, and will always be the ungraded stuff.

At least if the cards are graded by a reputable company there (probably) won't be the Photoshop escapades shown in this thread. That being said, with 937 true auctions I will venture to guess ebay might be slow to say anything....**according to the listings 933 are raw and 3 are graded (that deserves a "Yikes")....I guess 1 is unidentified or ended in the past seconds ....

http://www.ebay.com/sch/battlefield0...p2047675.l2562

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[buymycards]

I don't think he is photoshopping his cards. I think he is using stock photos from ebay. When you list on ebay, ebay always asks if you want to use stock photos from current listings. I pretended that I was going to sell a 1933 Goudey #81 and I used the stock photo. The photo that came up was the exact card that he is selling. This way, he doesn't have to scan any of his cards. That is why his scans are small and they can't be zoomed. That is also why he doesn't show back scans.

I bought a 33 Goudey from him that looked like a nice card in the listing, but when I received the card, the top third of the card was completely missing. When I contacted him about it, he insisted that I had received the card that was shown in the listing.

Rick

[CW]

Check this thread, Rick.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=185850

You'll see many photos used by this seller, and then the actual card received by the high bidder. The centering on those cards matches perfectly, and you can clearly see how the seller manipulates the scan with a photoshop-type program.

Also, I bought a Gretzky RC from Battlefield a few years back before I knew about their practices. When I received the card I noticed a lot more wear on the upper right corner than what appeared in Battlefield0516's scan on eBay. I dug deeper and found the same card had sold months before on eBay. You can clearly see the wear on the original scan, but on Battlefield0516's scan the upper corner shows no white cardboard stock.

[Joshchisox08]

Thank god. I almost made the mistake of bidding on some raw cards last night they looked great and they were real cheap as they got closer to the finish line I actually looked at the seller and nonetheless it was battlefield. I sent him/her a message and cussed him/her out.

[bbcardzman]

Originally Posted by buymycards

I don't think he is photoshopping his cards. I think he is using stock photos from ebay. When you list on ebay, ebay always asks if you want to use stock photos from current listings. I pretended that I was going to sell a 1933 Goudey #81 and I used the stock photo. The photo that came up was the exact card that he is selling. This way, he doesn't have to scan any of his cards. That is why his scans are small and they can't be zoomed. That is also why he doesn't show back scans.

I bought a 33 Goudey from him that looked like a nice card in the listing, but when I received the card, the top third of the card was completely missing. When I contacted him about it, he insisted that I had received the card that was shown in the listing.

Rick

He is definitely photo-shopping cards. Somehow he uses a blue screen and takes out the worst parts of the cards, especially all creases. Here's a link that shows a card I bought from him. Can't see the two creases and there is way more chipping on the edges than the pic in the listing.

http://t205photos.webs.com/

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by bbcardzman

He is definitely photo-shopping cards. Somehow he uses a blue screen and takes out the worst parts of the cards, especially all creases. Here's a link that shows a card I bought from him. Can't see the two creases and there is way more chipping on the edges than the pic in the listing.

http://t205photos.webs.com/

Right and photo shopping cards is probably one of the easiest things to do.

[CW]

I was watching a card from seller drahluck today, and it appeared as if their listings are very similar to Battlefield0516 (similar text in the titles, raw cards photographed against blue backgrounds, no back scans, etc.). This could be another side account for Carol aka Battlefield0516.

Completed auctions for drahluck:

LINK

I guess the one big difference is Battlefield0516 accepts returns because they know they're pulling shady shit, but drahluck states "all sales final", so maybe I'm jumpin the gun.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by CW

I was watching a card from seller drahluck today, and it appeared as if their listings are very similar to Battlefield0516 (similar text in the titles, raw cards photographed against blue backgrounds, no back scans, etc.). This could be another side account for Carol aka Battlefield0516.

Completed auctions for drahluck:

LINK

I guess the one big difference is Battlefield0516 accepts returns because they know they're pulling shady shit, but drahluck states "all sales final", so maybe I'm jumpin the gun.

I don't think those two sellers are the same, but for me the result is the same. I will never bid on a battlefield auction again, and I certainly wouldn't bid on a high end raw card from a seller who does not accept returns. Unless they guarantee in an email through ebay that it's authentic and unaltered.

[Leon]

High grade and raw....with no returns. Sounds good to me...

http://www.ebay.com/sch/drahluck/m.h...684&rmvSB=true

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[vintagebb2014]

I've purchased several cards in the past from this Ebayer. The cards look amazing in the scans and the description lead you to believe that they are all 8's or higher. I returned a 1954 Topps Ted Williams and they refunded my money in just a few days. It was about a 5 at best and it looked like an 8 in their scans. The chipped edges weren't visible in the blue background that they use in all of their listings. I also purchased several 1952 Topps that were not as nice as the scan presented or the description lead me to believe. I chose to take the lost and stop buying from this Seller.

[rocarroll]

He's got several mantle's posted too. This '57 is at $400+ now.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTL...item5b178d6064

[bbcardzman]

FACT: If you bid on and win a Battlefield auction - You WILL NOT be happy when you get your item. Avoid them and be HAPPY

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by bbcardzman

FACT: If you bid on and win a Battlefield auction - You WILL NOT be happy when you get your item. Avoid them and be HAPPY

FACT: If you receive a Battlefield auction - You WILL NOT be happy when you get your item. If you do NOT return it, you are part of the problem.

[danmckee]

Scumbag is stating it mildly!

Yes I am one of the lucky blocked bidders as well.

Ebay should remove this CROOK!

[gs1968]

Have bought from this seller many times most cards are 2 grades below description and bid accordingly. Just bought t206 hummel listed as nearmint got card full 1/16 inch short top to bottom returned item 4 days after sellers receipt of card still no refund but card relisted as you guessed it...near mint.no more for me I am done too many sellers out there.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by gs1968

Have bought from this seller many times most cards are 2 grades below description and bid accordingly. Just bought t206 hummel listed as nearmint got card full 1/16 inch short top to bottom returned item 4 days after sellers receipt of card still no refund but card relisted as you guessed it...near mint.no more for me I am done too many sellers out there.

They have been doing this for years. They prey on people hoping they hit a 'raw' card gold mine with their awesome looking vintage, ungraded cards. I believe they crack out mid grade cards that look nice for the grade for some of their wares. I also believe they crack out SGC "A" cards that look fantastic and sell them as raw, unaltered cards. They seem to have no shortage of buyers, and they are sitting on an Ebay gold mine, ethics be damned.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

They have been doing this for years. They prey on people hoping they hit a 'raw' card gold mine with their awesome looking vintage, ungraded cards. I believe they crack out mid grade cards that look nice for the grade for some of their wares. I also believe they crack out SGC "A" cards that look fantastic and sell them as raw, unaltered cards. They seem to have no shortage of buyers, and they are sitting on an Ebay gold mine, ethics be damned.

That pretty much sums it up. They don't ask any questions about returns since they know the cards are altered. The one card I purchased was relisted before I had even gotten it back from PSA. With the same description of NM card, guaranteed authentic and unaltered.

I'm no lawyer, but shouldn't it be a crime to sell a $1,000 + card you know is altered yet insist it not? Or any card for that matter?

[Zact]

Bump

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

That pretty much sums it up. They don't ask any questions about returns since they know the cards are altered. The one card I purchased was relisted before I had even gotten it back from PSA. With the same description of NM card, guaranteed authentic and unaltered.

I'm no lawyer, but shouldn't it be a crime to sell a $1,000 + card you know is altered yet insist it not? Or any card for that matter?

Just imagine if there were no grading companies how many times a card would be returned on a high dollar card on a dispute on the term 'near mint'

[Luke]

So, she just won the trimmed Old Mill Cy Young from PWCC, popped it out, photo-shopped it, and re-listed:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...oAAOSwPCVX7~Yt

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CY-YOUNG-GLO...sAAOSwn7JYCaXg

[PhillipAbbott79]

I am not sure I see a photo shop job, but I definitely think removing it from the holder where it was clearly labeled as altered and not disclosing that is a really shitty move.

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

I am not sure I see a photo shop job, but I definitely think removing it from the holder where it was clearly labeled as altered and not disclosing that is a really shitty move.

They didn't just hide that fact. They explicitly lie, saying its unaltered ...
"Up for auction is a 1909-11 T206 Cy Young (Glove Shows) #525 vintage baseball card. This card has an Old Mill Back. This card is in wonderful condition! It is 100% authentic and unaltered! ..."

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

I am not sure I see a photo shop job, but I definitely think removing it from the holder where it was clearly labeled as altered and not disclosing that is a really shitty move.

That's what brings the bucks. Money has no ethics. Battlefield has been doing this for years. That is why I'm always so leery about selling my own personal SGC "A" cards on Ebay.

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by mybuddyinc

Also got to love NO back scans ....... but stated has "nice back."


Not sure where "nice" fits into anyone's grading scale.

"Nice" is one of those sliding grades......"Nice" at Last Call is different than when you first get to the bar.....

[tschock]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

I am not sure I see a photo shop job, but I definitely think removing it from the holder where it was clearly labeled as altered and not disclosing that is a really shitty move.

I don't see the black marks under "Assortment" nor the red mark left of "Cigarettes" (outside the frame) on battlefield's scan as I do on the original PWCC one.

[Batpig]

I wonder if Brent would have any pull getting this POS off of eBay.

[The-Cardfather]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

"Nice" is one of those sliding grades......"Nice" at Last Call is different than when you first get to the bar.....

Has anyone gone to a used car dealer lately?
They will always stress that a car is "clean".
Usually repeating themselves 3-4 times while you're there.
I've always found this tactic rather comical.