Ruth and Gehrig Balls - Authentic?

[VAYankee]

I've spoken to him. Guy called me last night trying to get me to pull the trigger, but I sent him right to vm

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by VAYankee

I've spoken to him. Guy called me last night trying to get me to pull the trigger, but I sent him right to vm

Did he give you a name and phone number?

[VAYankee]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

Did he give you a name and phone number?

I have his name and number. His name his Dave Ingber, although as you know JDE is run by Ralph Perullo. Dave is located in Minnesota.

[jgmp123]

This is a fun cross thread....

http://live.autographmagazine.com/ph...ource=activity

[VAYankee]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

This is a fun cross thread....

http://live.autographmagazine.com/ph...ource=activity

Ingber has admittedly never been that kind of a jerk to me, although condescension is a key character trait of his. Tries to make you feel like your idiot because you won't hand over $5k for whatever he's trying to sell. Everything from JDE should be accepted. I loved this email that I got from him on Saturday morning when I wouldn't buy the Ruth ball....

I remember you told me you once got burned before on a purchase. Now I believe, unless these guys like Ruth and Gehrig either tell you they actually signed the bb, or left behind an affidavit before they died that they did so, you are not going to be comfortable. It certainly is your prerogative, but in the business we refer to it as “paralysis by analysis.”


I called it being careful or judicious.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by VAYankee

Ingber has admittedly never been that kind of a jerk to me, although condescension is a key character trait of his. Tries to make you feel like your idiot because you won't hand over $5k for whatever he's trying to sell. Everything from JDE should be accepted. I loved this email that I got from him on Saturday morning when I wouldn't buy the Ruth ball....

I remember you told me you once got burned before on a purchase. Now I believe, unless these guys like Ruth and Gehrig either tell you they actually signed the bb, or left behind an affidavit before they died that they did so, you are not going to be comfortable. It certainly is your prerogative, but in the business we refer to it as “paralysis by analysis.”


I called it being careful or judicious.

I called it bullsh--.

[VAYankee]

Does anyone think the authorities would care to look at the stuff they're peddling? I have an old friend that I believe still works at the Bureau, might be worth a shot. Thoughts?

[RichardSimon]

Ralph has a son named Mark, he charmed us over at Autograph Magazine Live with unrelenting, totally ineffective, attacks on Chris.

[pscolgrafs]

Josh Gibson:

The one "authenticated" by Barry Halper is at the top.

Here is what is said about Josh Gibson in the "Baseball Hall of Fame Autographs Book" by Ron Keurajian:

The population of genuine speciments is likely between 10 and 20. Just about all Gibson material is in document form. I know of only one signed baseball, a team baseball of the Homestead Grays from either 1945 or 1946.

In closing: CCSA have sold hundreds and hundreds of Josh Gibson signed items and they usually sell for several hundred dollars. What is the value of a Gibson signature? In 2007, Lelands sold a 1939 contract for $32,862. A single signed baseball would most likely today sell for more than that. Possible $50,000. And look at these prices, folks.

[pscolgrafs]

Mickey Welch:

The one on top was "authenticated" by Barry Halper, and the second one is also be offered for auction this month.

Here is what is said about Mickey Welch in the "Baseball Hall of Fame Autographs Book" by Ron Keurajian:

I have never seen a genuinely signed photo, baseball, government postcard, or other non-document signed item. I estimate the market population of Welch signatures to be under five specimens.

In closing:

How much would an authentic Mickey Welch sell for? According to the book: Due to rarity, there have been no recent sales of Welch's signature. Would it be far fetched for a single signed ball to fetch $30,000 or more? Please note that it says in the description on the "Halper' one.:

This vintage, well used ball may be official, and comes black ink signed and dated by the late HOF'er from 1939. It was signed right across the sweet spot, shows off well from 12 feet away, and value with rhe included Barry Halper COA is thousands, IF you can find one.

"IF" you can find one. YOU HAVE TWO IN THIS AUCTION!!!!!

[pscolgrafs]

Jack Chesbro:

Here is what is said about Jack Chesbro in the "Baseball Hall of Fame Autographs Book" by Ron Keurajian:

The only paper specimen I know of in the open market is a signed bank check.

How much would an authentic Jack Chesbro sell for? Legendary just sold a signed check for $23,000.Would it be far fetched for a single signed ball to fetch $30,000 or more?

Actually Lee and Scott noted that the value is around $35,000, and what was the final price? $73.

They don't have on in this auction. Maybe next month.

You guys get the idea, and I could do this all day! :-0

[pscolgrafs]

This is one of my favorites. Kind of like ordering a cake over the phone:

"Hello"
"Yes, I would like to make an order." says the women.
"Okay, what would you like?"
"I would like to order an autographed Babe Ruth baseball."
"That is our best seller. Would you like to add an inscription or personalization? Home Run King? Date of the year of the shot? Great Bambino? George Herman Ruth? Lover of Easy Women? Babe Ruth #714? I Didn't Mean To Eat All Of Those Hot Dogs? There
is a slight surcharge."
"No thank you."
"Would you like to add another signature? We offer a discount for multiple signatures added.
We can add anyone within their lifetime. Lou Gehrig is very popular, but we will add anyone."
"Wait, my son loves math, can you add Albert Einstein below the Ruth signature?"
"We can do that. Anything else?"
"Can Einstein add E=MC2?"
"No problem."
"And can you get Babe to sign it "Hitting=Homers2? I think he will love it!"
"I think he will. We have never done a ball like this. This is very unique and truly one of a kind. Anything else? We offer a free dating service if interested."
"I'm flattered, but I am married"
"No, we date the balls with specific dates. It's our calling card. Like a grandfather's date of birth or the date the Titanic sank or something like that. It tells the customers that the item could have been signed that day, unlike balls that are not dated which may appear suspicious to collectors."
She thinks about this for a minute.
"When is grand papa's birthday?" she screams into another room.
"January 8, 1938'
"Great! He will love it! Anything else?"
"No, I think that will be all."
"It will be ready by Wednesday if you want to pick it up."
"Great, see you there!"

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by VAYankee

I have his name and number. His name his Dave Ingber, although as you know JDE is run by Ralph Perullo. Dave is located in Minnesota.

Please send me a personal email with this guys (Dave) contact information including name, phone number, and mailing address. I have been heavily involved in vintage sports items for over 25 years living in Minnesota my entire life and I have no idea who this is. I would like to look in to it further if you don't mind. Thanks, Jason