Another Antiques Roadshow Tobacco collection.. Wow!

[Bieg]

Are there T202 Hassan Triple Folder experts here also?

My favorites are her T202s and they ALL are like this one below;

T202 (Ty Cobb Steals Third) H.Jennings-T.Cobb-001.jpg


Would this be the top grade in this series? Am I correct in assuming that they ALL were folded when they were in the pack of cigarettes or did these only come if you bought a carton and ones that have never been folded would be "mint"?

[mrvster]

I am a true collector.....I enjoy the cards like your wife does....I love to smell them, stare at them, find examples....

I appreciate the fact that she enjoys them for their true beauty, as I do...

I can appreciate where she's coming from....

my true suggestion, is have her enjoy them.....then, when it's time, pass them on to your kids, or like you said auction them off....but, JUST ENJOY THEM!

condition, for me, is really not an issue when it comes to collecting my cards....

actually, the uglier , the better

[mrvster]

"American Beauties!"

[mrvster]

[T206.org]

Johnny, that full-size AB Konetchy is amazing!!

[mrvster]

for American Beauties, T206, old cardboard , and most of all GREAT collectors and friends like I have met on this board!

many of my American beauties were graciously given to me by true collectors from this board....GOD BLESS YOU GUYS! you know who you are...

you collectors are the "true American beauties"

Beig and your wife....congrats on a great collection, I hope to see more of them!! thanks for continuing to share....and ENJOY!

btw.....we would love to have you and your wife continue to enjoy net54....you guys will love it here!

my true passion is T206 printer's scrap, or the "Wagner"

I am johnny, and I am a T206 NUT

[mrvster]

you are so sharp! thanks! I think it's a "tweener" ab scrap.....was wondering who would notice first....

btw...the konetchy is TOUGH! hint...hint....and the conroy, and some other commons....

I'm talking tuf!......there is a print connection between DRUM and ab 350 no frame.....Tim and Jim maybe able to elaborate....Tim is still cracking the code....these cards have flown under the radar

konetchy-oversize, hand cut, has a wet stack on front....very cool and weird/ odd.....a true beauty and "hole" filler....

almost have the set complete, just magee and wajo to go!

[mrvster]

THANKS FOR THE BREAKDOWN!

we are researchers.....that % breakdown seems to reflect their "rarity"

t206resource lists the rarity in back scarcity....

ab 460 rarest! #13

ab 350 rarer #15

ab 350 frame rare #21

from the back rarity from 1-39 approximately

1909-1911 t206 were printed.....ab 460's printed in 1911( last print group).....1910 ab 350 frame and no frame printed second print group 350 subjects......

ab 350 nf 37 possible cards

ab 350 frame - 190 possible

ab 460 nf - 75 possible


all taken info from the resource.....

as far as I know, no one has completed any of them yet

Ted z is almost complete on ab 460

I'm 2 cards short on ab 350 nf...


ANYONE ELSE ATTEMPT THESE SETS???

[Bieg]

Please tell us how many 460 and 350 frame and no frames! we love to know

Out of 105 American Beauty backed T206s there are

54 - 350 Frame

28 - 350 No Frame

23 - 460

What is the significance of this? Different years in the set?

[Bieg]

This is the worst card in the whole collection fortunately it is the ONLY one like this;

T205 Sheckard, James - Hassan Back-001.jpg

As you can plainly see the photography is "warts and all"

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Bieg

Are there T202 Hassan Triple Folder experts here also?

My favorites are her T202s and they ALL are like this one below;

Attachment 176239


Would this be the top grade in this series? Am I correct in assuming that they ALL were folded when they were in the pack of cigarettes or did these only come if you bought a carton and ones that have never been folded would be "mint"?

Yes Bieg, triplefolders are found only with the two folds between the end and center panels. But over time the folds will weaken and this will be apparent to the eye. That Cobb is gorgeous. Grading is tricky and is tough enough to do in person, but nearly impossible from a scan. It looks NRBMT or better (7 or 8), but the pros might feel otherwise.

I understand your wife's choice not to grade them, and that is fine. But you do not have to worry about letting the cards out of your sight. If you use any of the top companies, they won't steal them or switch them out. They will do it right. But you are correct any auction company will do it for you.

To answer a different questions, T206 was issued in series, and the 350's appeared before the 460's. I am not sure why there are both frame and no frame American Beauties, but I'm sure somebody here knows more than I do.

[btcarfagno]

Wonderful to hear from the original owners of this collection. I won't be of much help as I am a noob where T cards are concerned.

I am so glad to hear that your cards will remain as they were intended to be...raw. Some call graded cards "entombed" and there is a reason for that. There is absolutely something special to the ability to hold the actual card in your hand (or at least being able to take it from its plastic holder if you ever wanted to....definitely good to keep them safe in those at least).

There are many here with decades of knowledge at your disposal.

I'm pretty much just sitting here at work drooling all over the keyboard. At the scans. Not your wife. Although...



Tom C

[Bieg]

Trying to get a handle on what size files can be uploaded to the gallery and how they look.

[brob28]

Bieg, thank you for sharing information with us on the site, you and your wife truly have an amazing collection. It's refreshing to hear your wife enjoys them and wants to keep them. Many times the heirs have no interest and sell immediately. When the time comes to sell, an auction house will most likely recommend you have them graded, in my opinion that is the best way to maximize your value. As was pointed out earlier, it's difficult to accurately determine grade from scans, so many collectors look for some additional assurance from grading companies when they are looking to bid on cards.

When I saw the show I could not believe how vibrant the colors were and of course the condition is amazing. Keep posting pictures, we love 'em.