If the Redskins change their name, how will it affect the collecting hobby?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by cubsfan-budman

Yep, nothing should ever change.

Actually, its pretty common for 80 year old thought processes to adjust over time. Thank goodness.

In today's times, the term "Whitey" is considered a slur as well. So, do we insist Whitey Ford use his real name and stop signing his autograph "Whitey" Ford?

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

In today's times, the term "Whitey" is considered a slur as well. So, do we insist Whitey Ford use his real name and stop signing his autograph "Whitey" Ford?

Again, these things are relics of the past. Start introducing yourself around town as "Whitey" and see how well that's received.

Cool social experiment. Let us know how it goes!

[celoknob]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

In today's times, the term "Whitey" is considered a slur as well. So, do we insist Whitey Ford use his real name and stop signing his autograph "Whitey" Ford?

But then again, "Whitey" wasn't subjected to mass ethnic cleansing and forced migration by his government. 4,000 Cherokee were "cleansed" in the Trail of Tears alone because they had red skin. Most of the rest were dumped in a wasteland. But that "Whitey" argument is a good one and shows considerable empathy and historical appreciation.

[TUM301]

I really don`t mind the name Redskins at all. But can appreciate the uproa. It`s gotten so bad, wouldn`t want "Washington" linked to anything I could be identified with. That is the truly offensive part of the equation.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by TUM301

I really don`t mind the name Redskins at all. But can appreciate the uproa. It`s gotten so bad, wouldn`t want "Washington" linked to anything I could be identified with. That is the truly offensive part of the equation.

YOU GOT IT! That is the problem. We have all been looking at this the wrong way...and I am being totally serious when I agree that the first part of the name is the problem, not the second part. Remember it is Washington (and the ilk that ooses from it) that broke all the treaties; stole all the land; and liquidated tens of thousands of whatever you decide to call them. Why not call them 'The Innocents' or 'The Victims' - but, be careful, us European-Americans will need a way to distinguish them from the other Innocents and Victims.

Mind you, I don't feel any personal guilt over the way those races were vanquished...remorse, yes; regret, yes...and I do sincerely wish that it should never, ever, happen again.

All that said, maybe just changing names of sports teams is not that big a deal.
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[Runscott]

I agree with Raymond.

If I were an uber politically correct white guy, because of the way they've treated Indians, I would be offended that Washington is allowed to have any sports teams, unless they call them something appropriate;e.g: 'Washington Treaty Breakers', 'Washington Liars', 'Washington Slimy White Guys', etc.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I agree with Raymond.

If I were an uber politically correct white guy, because of the way they've treated Indians, I would be offended that Washington is allowed to have any sports teams, unless they call them something appropriate;e.g: 'Washington Treaty Breakers', 'Washington Liars', 'Washington Slimy White Guys', etc.

Hey, I'd VOTE for that!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by celoknob

4,000 Cherokee were "cleansed" in the Trail of Tears alone because they had red skin. Most of the rest were dumped in a wasteland.

So we can re-write history by changing the team's name?

Once again, the team name Redskins was never intended to be a racial slur but, instead, to pay tribute to their coach (who was Native American).

Now, 80 years later, a very small percentage of the population gets their panties in a wad and demands a name change. You really think Snyder is going to change the name? Get real. Let me drop a couple of facts on you. From Wikipedia: "According to Forbes Magazine, the Redskins are the third most valuable franchise in the NFL behind the Cowboys and Patriots, and were valued at approximately $1.6 billion as of 2013. They have also broken the NFL's mark for single-season attendance ten years in a row." You think Snyder is going to cave into pressure? Why? Is he afraid fans will stop attending the games if he doesn't change the team's name? Yeah, right! Long live the Washington Redskins!

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

So we can re-write history by changing the team's name?

Once again, the team name Redskins was never intended to be a racial slur but, instead, to pay tribute to their coach (who was Native American).

Now, 80 years later, a very small percentage of the population gets their panties in a wad and demands a name change. You really think Snyder is going to change the name? Get real. Let me drop a couple of facts on you. From Wikipedia: "According to Forbes Magazine, the Redskins are the third most valuable franchise in the NFL behind the Cowboys and Patriots, and were valued at approximately $1.6 billion as of 2013. They have also broken the NFL's mark for single-season attendance ten years in a row." You think Snyder is going to cave into pressure? Why? Is he afraid fans will stop attending the games if he doesn't change the team's name? Yeah, right! Long live the Washington Redskins!

Eh, never mind

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by cubsfan-budman

Wait and see what happens if the FCC bans the word.

Are you for real ?!?!?

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Are you for real ?!?!?

Seriously, is any Cubs fan for real?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Seriously, is any Cubs fan for real?

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[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Are you for real ?!?!?

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