Fake Mays rookie

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Appears to have been done along the black border on the right edge....possibly authentic, absolutely altered.

Anything is possible, but I don't think so. The left border is cropped as well. Also, look at the name plate. It's in a different position than the real card. name plate altered too?

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Anything is possible, but I don't think so. The left border is cropped as well. Also, look at the name plate. It's in a different position than the real card. name plate altered too?

You are right about the name plate, you can see where it has been cut/pasted over to the left and is now flush with the right edge border. It would be interesting to see the back of the card.

[H_T_Davis]

If it were cut to preserve the right border, then the pieces slid over and put back together, the back should have the name and at least some of the stats showing. Basically, the back shows a card that has had the top removed - which would have included the right border on the front. Since the right border in intact on the front... Also, look at the difference in the quality of the black line surrounding the portrait on the front. The graded one is nice and neat, while this one has a ton of bleeding.

[savedfrommyspokes]

The two scans show what the description says...the card was trimmed down on the ends to fit into a sheet designed to hold 1950 Bowmans. If you look closely at the image of the front, you can tell by looking near each corner that the left and right edges have been pealed from the original cardboard and adhered to the appropriate side edges. The name plate of the card has been pealed and then adhered further to the left so that it is within the newly created right border. On the back, you can see the hand cut bottom edge(left front edge).

Very creative....can't believe someone would go through all this effort on a fake card, but who knows. If it is real, it is obviously altered(creatively). I would be interested to see if the seller has any other trimmed down 51 Bowmans.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

The two scans show what the description says...

It certainly does not. Re-read the comment above yours. He is exactly right and explained it perfectly.

If it were cut to preserve the right border, then the pieces slid over and put back together, the back should have the name and at least some of the stats showing.

Also, look at the left border as well (what would be the bottom of the card if looking at if from behind). It is also cropped, but there is no evidence of cropping (or cutting) on the back of the card.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

It certainly does not. Re-read the comment above yours. He is exactly right and explained it perfectly.

If it were cut to preserve the right border, then the pieces slid over and put back together, the back should have the name and at least some of the stats showing.

Also, look at the left border as well (what would be the bottom of the card if looking at if from behind). It is also cropped, but there is no evidence of cropping (or cutting) on the back of the card.

Yes, the scan and image do match up to what the description indicates...the card back does not have the name or personal information on the back because that was the part of this card that was clearly trimmed off(that part of the back is not there in the scan). The name and personal information on the card back that have been trimmed away match up the right, front edge of the card that is missing.

The side edge parts of the front that were trimmed off were then PEALED APART with the thin top image portion pasted/glued back onto either of the side edges of the now trimmed card(to realign the black side borders/corners with the t/b black edge borders) all to make if appear the border has not been broken all the way around. The name plate was also pealed off and reattached further to the left(this is evident in the front scan, as the paste job is not perfectly lined up). You can see in the image of the front along the t/b white edges near the corners (above the vertical black border lines) where the pealed edges have been reattached.

The fact that the back appears just trimmed down on both the t/b edges on the back would also indicate that the front edges that were cut off, were PEALED and reattached to the front(not slid over). This is clearly evident on the back, bottom edge as it is not cut straight. The only damage to the back of the card is just where the t/b edges were trimmed off...no evidence of being cut and reattached on the back(this is due to the front having the pealed portions from the previously cut off edges glued onto the front).

I would agree that: "If it were cut to preserve the right border, then the pieces slid over and put back together, the back should have the name and at least some of the stats showing.", however, if the card had side edges that were trimmed off, pealed apart, and then pasted back on to the front to form new edges/borders(not "slid over and put back together"), there would be no name on the back as no part of the back was cut off and subsequently reattached.

You can see whatever you want to see, that is what I see.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

The fact that the back appears just trimmed down on both the t/b edges on the back...

That's just it though, the card doesn't appear to be trimmed on bottom. Let's pretend for a moment that it happened exactly as you say it did. Someone would have had to cut the bottom border (would be the left border looking at it from the front) and reattach it. However, the bottom border doesn't appear to be trimmed at all. Compare it to any other '51 Bowman Mays and you'll see. So how did he crop the left border without trimming the card?

Edited to add: The card very well could be some kind of Frankencard authentic creation. However, the evidence shows that it was not created from the same card. If it is some kind of Frankencard creation, it was made from two or more cards.