shill bidders?

[vintagehofrookies]

I was commenting in general but whenever I see a private bidder and a another bidder with that high a % bid on the same seller, red flags go up.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by vintagehofrookies

I was commenting in general but whenever I see a private bidder and a another bidder with that high a % bid on the same seller, red flags go up.

That's a pretty big generalization. I know of a couple people in this very thread that have consigned to Probstein, so to imply that his auctions are shilled would be to accuse these members of shilling.

Some auctions, it's obvious. This one isn't (at least I don't think so) and there has been apparent fraud, but with 57,000+ completed auctions in his completed listing, I would be shocked if 1% of those auctions were shilled.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

That's a pretty big generalization. I know of a couple people in this very thread that have consigned to Probstein, so to imply that his auctions are shilled would be to accuse these members of shilling.

Some auctions, it's obvious. This one isn't (at least I don't think so) and there has been apparent fraud, but with 57,000+ completed auctions in his completed listing, I would be shocked if 1% of those auctions were shilled.

Your first summation is absurd. Just because someone says they think there is shilling in Probstein auctions doesn't mean they are making specific allegations against any one person. No kidding it's obvious in some auctions. It's not only obvious it's hysterical. I would be shocked if your 1% isn't way, way low.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Leon

Just because someone says they think there is shilling in Probstein auctions

That's not what he said. He said his auctions are shilled.

Just like if I were to say "It is known Brockelman & Luckey Auctions are shilled" (they're not btw), I'm not saying that I think maybe one or two might have been possibly shilled. I'm saying your auctions are shilled. ***Again, I don't think they are.

I was just taken aback by the careless generalization.

Also, the 1% could very well be low. He has quite a few bad apples.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Also, the 1% could very well be low. He has quite a few bad apples.

Yes, including the bad apple in the mirror.

[Republicaninmass]

What if the price is so low, the consignor, or seller buys it back?

[Jeffrompa]

I think it's an inherent problem with selling consigned items on EBay . How can he know if the owners are bidding or not ? And if he did can he stop every auction ? It's different if someone can prove the seller is getting others to put bids in to jack up the prices .

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

...I would be shocked if 1% of those auctions were shilled.

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Also, the 1% could very well be low. He has quite a few bad apples.

You're doing good so far.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Leon

Your first summation is absurd. Just because someone says they think there is shilling in Probstein auctions doesn't mean they are making specific allegations against any one person. No kidding it's obvious in some auctions. It's not only obvious it's hysterical. I would be shocked if your 1% isn't way, way low.

Agree completely.