Fair shake; calling out Kirk Keith

[mcadams]

After reading through this drama over at CU last week, my summary is as follows:

1) Joey agreed to sell MrMint a '54 Ted Williams, but then tried to back out of the sale because Joey changed his mind about selling it.
2) MrMint became upset about Joey backing out.
3) Joey eventually sells MrMint the 54 Williams anyway.
4) MrMint not fully satisfied.
5) Bickering continues unabated at CU on variety of other topics.
6) Joey has admitted to also backing out of some purchases he's made (including the admission on the front end of this thread).

I think admitting one's mistakes is a good reason for everyone to bury the hatchet and move on (both sides). Its become personal now. Let's remember, these are baseball cards we're talking about.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by mcadams

After reading through this drama over at CU last week, my summary is as follows:

1) Joey agreed to sell MrMint a '54 Ted Williams, but then tried to back out of the sale because Joey changed his mind about selling it.
2) MrMint became upset about Joey backing out.
3) Joey eventually sells MrMint the 54 Williams anyway.
4) MrMint not fully satisfied.
5) Bickering continues unabated at CU on variety of other topics.
6) Joey has admitted to also backing out of some purchases he's made (including the admission on the front end of this thread).

I think admitting one's mistakes is a good reason for everyone to bury the hatchet and move on (both sides). Its become personal now. Let's remember, these are baseball cards we're talking about.

I really think youre right because I cant think of anything else Ive personally done to this guy to be so obsessive over me. I know me and him got into it when I sold him the 54 williams. But he got the card and all was done..so i thought

[thenavarro]

Is Kirk a member here? If not, why call him out here and start "drama" here? To me, that would be like calling out someone that works at Home Depot by going into Lowe's and announcing you are calling them out

Mike Navarro

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by thenavarro

Is Kirk a member here? If not, why call him out here and start "drama" here? To me, that would be like calling out someone that works at Home Depot by going into Lowe's and announcing you are calling them out

Mike Navarro

lol..of course hes a member here. His name on here is taxman. Im surprised youve never heard of him

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

lol..of course hes a member here. His name on here is taxman. Im surprised youve never heard of him

Got it. Hadn't paid much attention to Taxman.

mike

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by thenavarro

Got it. Hadn't paid much attention to Taxman.

mike

no problem, i dont think alot of people do..lol

[Gradedcardman]

I don't have a dog in this fight but come on, refund money on the same card twice ?? You must be waiting for more money. Sellers remorse twice...to hokey for me...thanks for the warning !!

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by Gradedcardman

I don't have a dog in this fight but come on, refund money on the same card twice ?? You must be waiting for more money. Sellers remorse twice...to hokey for me...thanks for the warning !!

To hokey for you? I didnt rip anyone off, didnt scam anyone. I first sold it because I was going to jump on a hank aaron rc i had been watching. sold the cobb but was too late on the hank aaron rc. refunded the money right away. Second time I sold it I thought I was ready but came to the conclusion that I knew id regret it if i did. Refunded his money asap. Kept the card

[eb548]

I am unaware of any prior history between joey farino and his accuser alluded to in this post. However i must mention a recent transaction between a Joseph Farino and myself on ebay dated 4/13/13. I purchased a t206 cobb red portrait for $625. Never received and messaged the seller numerous times inquiring about the card to no avail. Seller never responded and i receive an email from paypal that my money was refunded. The seller -- Joseph Farino -- no communication and refused to send the card. I checked the sellers history and he sold the same exact card to another ebay member a few days prior to my purchase and refunded his money as well! I do know if this is the same Joseph Farino but his ebay id i believe was ital**nz (the item has been deleted so i cant retrieve the member history off ebay) and his email which was linked to his paypal account was celtic*****91@gmail.com. If this is the correct Joseph Farino, I feel obligated to let the forum members know. Do not deal with! Absolute horrific seller. If it is not, i apologize and will remove this post should i receive proper evidence.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by eb548

I am unaware of any prior history between joey farino and his accuser alluded to in this post. However i must mention a recent transaction between a Joseph Farino and myself on ebay dated 4/13/13. I purchased a t206 cobb red portrait for $625. Never received and messaged the seller numerous times inquiring about the card to no avail. Seller never responded and i receive an email from paypal that my money was refunded. The seller -- Joseph Farino -- no communication and refused to send the card. I checked the sellers history and he sold the same exact card to another ebay member a few days prior to my purchase and refunded his money as well! I do know if this is the same Joseph Farino but his ebay id i believe was ital**nz (the item has been deleted so i cant retrieve the member history off ebay) and his email which was linked to his paypal account was celtic*****91@gmail.com. If this is the correct Joseph Farino, I feel obligated to let the forum members know. Do not deal with! Absolute horrific seller. If it is not, i apologize and will remove this post should i receive proper evidence.

yes that is me. I did in fact refund your money because I decided to hold onto the card. I refunded your money with no questions asked. If I recall you left me negative feedback accusing me of being a scammer when I refunded your money. If i was a scammer I wouldve taken your money and kept the card. I instead refunded your money asap. Ive sold many many cards with no problems at all. I thought I was ready to sell that card, but I was wrong. That was my fault.

[Cardboard Junkie]

[QUOTE=JoeyF1981;1136429]yes that is me. I did in fact refund your money because I decided to hold onto the card. I refunded your money with no questions asked. If I recall you left me negative feedback accusing me of being a scammer when I refunded your money. If i was a scammer I wouldve taken your money and kept the card. I instead refunded your money asap. Ive sold many many cards with no problems at all. I thought I was ready to sell that card, but I was wrong. That was my fault.[/QU

oh boy!

[eb548]

Joseph- No response to my ebay messages and selling the same card twice! I am not going to start anything with you. Its just cardboard and i will move on. Just wanted to make the forum members aware. I will let them make their own judgments. This forum is made up of many collectors who just want to go about their hobby in the most honest and enjoyable of ways. I will leave you all with this:

The second ebay purchaser of the exact card you sold me a week or so later contacted me as well. Here is the email he sent me (copy and paste without full id names):

"Hi. I see you also had a bad experience buying from it****z31. I too "bought" the T206 Cobb Red from him. I bought on Friday, April 5. The seller requested I send the funds the same day. I agreed.

On Monday, April 8, I saw that a refund had been initiated. There was no explanation. The seller told me he was called out of town on business for 3 weeks and could not sell me the card. However, the PayPal payment said "pending." This means that the seller did not have the funds in his account necessary to issue the refund. The following day, he attempted to get me to cancel the order. I did not cancel until the PayPal refund went from "pending" to completed.

Today, I checked his feedback to see if he scammed anyone else and I saw that you left negative feedback. I then looked into a little more and found this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T206-Ty...item35c6123bf4

It's the same card that we "bought"!!

- s*p*r*a*49"

[Cardboard Junkie]

Originally Posted by eb548

Joseph- No response to my ebay messages and selling the same card twice! I am not going to start anything with you. Its just cardboard and i will move on. Just wanted to make the forum members aware. I will let them make their own judgments. This forum is made up of many collectors who just want to go about their hobby in the most honest and enjoyable of ways. I will leave you all with this:

The second ebay purchaser of the exact card you sold me a week or so later contacted me as well. Here is the email he sent me (copy and paste without full id names):

"Hi. I see you also had a bad experience buying from it****z31. I too "bought" the T206 Cobb Red from him. I bought on Friday, April 5. The seller requested I send the funds the same day. I agreed.

On Monday, April 8, I saw that a refund had been initiated. There was no explanation. The seller told me he was called out of town on business for 3 weeks and could not sell me the card. However, the PayPal payment said "pending." This means that the seller did not have the funds in his account necessary to issue the refund. The following day, he attempted to get me to cancel the order. I did not cancel until the PayPal refund went from "pending" to completed.

Today, I checked his feedback to see if he scammed anyone else and I saw that you left negative feedback. I then looked into a little more and found this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T206-Ty...item35c6123bf4

It's the same card that we "bought"!!

- s*p*r*a*49"

Joey, hung by your own petard!

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by eb548

Joseph- No response to my ebay messages and selling the same card twice! I am not going to start anything with you. Its just cardboard and i will move on. Just wanted to make the forum members aware. I will let them make their own judgments. This forum is made up of many collectors who just want to go about their hobby in the most honest and enjoyable of ways. I will leave you all with this:

The second ebay purchaser of the exact card you sold me a week or so later contacted me as well. Here is the email he sent me (copy and paste without full id names):

"Hi. I see you also had a bad experience buying from it****z31. I too "bought" the T206 Cobb Red from him. I bought on Friday, April 5. The seller requested I send the funds the same day. I agreed.

On Monday, April 8, I saw that a refund had been initiated. There was no explanation. The seller told me he was called out of town on business for 3 weeks and could not sell me the card. However, the PayPal payment said "pending." This means that the seller did not have the funds in his account necessary to issue the refund. The following day, he attempted to get me to cancel the order. I did not cancel until the PayPal refund went from "pending" to completed.

Today, I checked his feedback to see if he scammed anyone else and I saw that you left negative feedback. I then looked into a little more and found this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T206-Ty...item35c6123bf4

It's the same card that we "bought"!!

- s*p*r*a*49"

Yes I was out of town for longer than 3 days and I had the money in my account. In the paypal transaction it asks if you want to refund the money and I hit yes. Paypal pays the fees they charged me for withdrawing the money he sent me and I pay the rest. It takes 2-3 days to fully process. I had more than enough in my account. I left negative feedback because his feedback was ridiculous

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

I thought I was ready to sell that card, but I was wrong. That was my fault.

How many more of these scumbags do we have to suffer on this board? Is it so difficult to complete an ebay transaction without this kind of garbage?

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by calvindog

How many more of these scumbags do we have to suffer on this board? Is it so difficult to complete an ebay transaction without this kind of garbage?

Jeff,
I believe at least a bakers dozen of scumbags might be the correct number!

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

yes that is me. I did in fact refund your money because I decided to hold onto the card. I refunded your money with no questions asked. If I recall you left me negative feedback accusing me of being a scammer when I refunded your money. If i was a scammer I wouldve taken your money and kept the card. I instead refunded your money asap. Ive sold many many cards with no problems at all. I thought I was ready to sell that card, but I was wrong. That was my fault.

I'm calling BS. You don't have that luxury on eBay. If you put something up for sale via auction, guess what if someone bids you don't get to say "I changed my mind." I have no idea about the accusations that have been thrown out there about you but kinda don't care once you stated the above, that is all I need to know before making the decision you aren't someone I care to do any kind of business with.
-Rhett

I seem to remember your name associated with a problem with Dan McKee, I could be wrong.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

I'm calling BS. You don't have that luxury on eBay. If you put something up for sale via auction, guess what if someone bids you don't get to say "I changed my mind." I have no idea about the accusations that have been thrown out there about you but kinda don't care once you stated the above, that is all I need to know before making the decision you aren't someone I care to do any kind of business with.
-Rhett

I seem to remember your name associated with a problem with Dan McKee, I could be wrong.

First of all the issue with dan mckee was 2 yrs ago and I have already spoken to him and apologized which he accepted.

And you can change your mind but your obviously subject to negative feedback and comments. I deserve it theres no doubt. Im not asking any of you to buy anything from me. Im here to confront kirk about his false accusations. thats all

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

First of all the issue with dan mckee was 2 yrs ago and I have already spoken to him and apologized which he accepted.

And you can change your mind but your obviously subject to negative feedback and comments. I deserve it theres no doubt. Im not asking any of you to buy anything from me. Im here to confront kirk about his false accusations. thats all

Joey,
very hard to come on a public forum and only confront one person that you had a bad dealing with. Where I sit it looks like you opened up a pandora's box of other people that you did something to that wasnt up to par so to speak with "DOING THE RIGHT THING" on a transaction. Maybe you can explain to me why you dont deliver the cards or items that people win. Sellers remorse gets a little old after 10 or 20 times. Yah Know.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

I'm calling BS. You don't have that luxury on eBay. If you put something up for sale via auction, guess what if someone bids you don't get to say "I changed my mind." I have no idea about the accusations that have been thrown out there about you but kinda don't care once you stated the above, that is all I need to know before making the decision you aren't someone I care to do any kind of business with.
-Rhett

I seem to remember your name associated with a problem with Dan McKee, I could be wrong.

I agree with Rhett here! Sounds like you pulled it back twice because you didn't like the price you got. Sounds like BS.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

yes that is me. I did in fact refund your money because I decided to hold onto the card. I refunded your money with no questions asked. If I recall you left me negative feedback accusing me of being a scammer when I refunded your money. If i was a scammer I wouldve taken your money and kept the card. I instead refunded your money asap. Ive sold many many cards with no problems at all. I thought I was ready to sell that card, but I was wrong. That was my fault.

Sounds scammish to me. You auctioned a card, a bidder won and paid and you said "naaaah"....I wish I could have done that when my beautiful 34G Foxx sold for 60% what I paid for it. What about Ethan, maybe he passed on another card to be able to afford yours and follow thru with his actions. Go make some deals with Adrian...

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

I don't know ethan, but that sounds scammish to me. You auctioned a card, a bidder won and paid and you said "naaaah"....I wish I could have done that when my beautiful 34G Foxx sold for 60% what I paid for it. What about Ethan, maybe he passed on another card to be able to afford yours and follow thru with his actions. Go make some deals with Adrian...

Youre right and he might have. I f*cked up and I know that. I returned his money right away. I wasnt holding out for more money. It was a buy it now auction

[mcadams]

Originally Posted by eb548

I am unaware of any prior history between joey farino and his accuser alluded to in this post. However i must mention a recent transaction between a Joseph Farino and myself on ebay dated 4/13/13. I purchased a t206 cobb red portrait for $625. Never received and messaged the seller numerous times inquiring about the card to no avail. Seller never responded and i receive an email from paypal that my money was refunded. The seller -- Joseph Farino -- no communication and refused to send the card. I checked the sellers history and he sold the same exact card to another ebay member a few days prior to my purchase and refunded his money as well! I do know if this is the same Joseph Farino but his ebay id i believe was ital**nz (the item has been deleted so i cant retrieve the member history off ebay) and his email which was linked to his paypal account was celtic*****91@gmail.com. If this is the correct Joseph Farino, I feel obligated to let the forum members know. Do not deal with! Absolute horrific seller. If it is not, i apologize and will remove this post should i receive proper evidence.

Ethan- Your post is the most interesting FACT raised in this thread. Remember the T206 Red Portrait Cobb that he sold twice (once to you) back in April? And Joey came here in this thread and said that he changed his mind twice about selling the card..... Well check this out. He tried to sell the SAME Ty Cobb card on May the 7th on the BST at CU. His price on that thread was $665.

http://forums.collectors.com/message...ighlight_key=y

[mcadams]

Joey- Correct me if I'm wrong, but you go by Yankeehero74 on CU, correct?

So why would you sell the card twice on ebay, refund the payment twice to 2 different buyers, tell them both that you changed your mind about selling the card, and then try to sell it for a 3rd time a few weeks later on CU?

[thehoodedcoder]

i still do not understand the name posting thing. every ones name is already on every post....right?

your name is not in the thread...but is is on the header of every thread you post. while it is definitely a rule i just question what the purpose of it is? what do you get by making people physically type their name in every time they post something?

and why would you want to spend your time policing this rule? i just don't see any purpose to it. wouldn't it make more sense to have people put their real name in the profile and be done with it. then there is no i forgots, no woops. and no policing stuff on hundreds of topics, thousands of posts etc.

kevin

[Leon]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

i still do not understand the name posting thing. every ones name is already on every post....right?

your name is not in the thread...but is is on the header of every thread you post. while it is definitely a rule i just question what the purpose of it is? what do you get by making people physically type their name in every time they post something?

and why would you want to spend your time policing this rule? i just don't see any purpose to it. wouldn't it make more sense to have people put their real name in the profile and be done with it. then there is no i forgots, no woops. and no policing stuff on hundreds of topics, thousands of posts etc.

kevin

No, I wasn't asking that you have to post your name in every post, technically, even though that might be what I said. The main thing is for anyone giving an opinion of someone or a company, or anyone getting into an argument etc.....to have the other party know who you are. I think it sucks when people make snide comments and give opinions of people or companies and those people or companies don't know who it is saying things about them. I knew this thread would be heated somewhat so that is why the rule was made for this thread. As I said before, I think everyone deserves a place to be able to fairly debate things. If any of our members don't like this then don't click on the thread. And this thread is here because I felt Joey deserved a place to air his issues with his accuser. The fact his accuser won't come here to debate and back up his stories, to me, means they might not be true accusations. So in that respect maybe Joey accomplished what he wanted to. On the other hand it seems Joey also has taken a lot of heat, most of it sounds like it is deserved. This thread will most likely be gone in a day or so and it's not the end of the world.

I did like the comment about him and Adrian doing a card deal...it could be a case of buyers AND sellers remorse. That was classic.

[KCRfan1]

Joey, if Kirk is on this board, he is doing the smartest thing he can do. Not respond and let you do all of the talking. This is not going very well for you.