This is the problem with grading...

[nolemmings]

Paul's best song post-Beatles:

Maybe I'm amazed.

[nolemmings]

I think part of the problem is that it was not two cards that got upgraded but like 6-7 and all from the same ebay account pang21, the Shell was just the worst of the bunch but the 76 Ryan from a 9 to a 10 was just as bad imo. I can understand PSA making a mistake on a grade, it happens, but one person getting a bunch like that and on an in person service at the National makes me a little uneasy.

+1 a lot uneasy

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

+1 a lot uneasy

And (as I understand it) it wasn't an average Joe off the street that got these bumps, it was an ex-grader who maybe had an in

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

And (as I understand it) it wasn't an average Joe off the street that got these bumps, it was an ex-grader who maybe had an in

Basis?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

+1 a lot uneasy

I agree that one submitter getting very many bumps at the National makes me a bit suspicious, as it would any intelligent person. I am not saying anything was wrong, just that if I were management I would be looking into it just to make sure everything was on the up and up. There is rarely harm in verifying.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Paul's best song post-Beatles:

Maybe I'm amazed.

I always thought it was "Maybe I'm a Mays'd?"

[Peter_Spaeth]

Dan are you sure those are the same card, I think I see some different markings.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Dan are you sure those are the same card, I think I see some different markings.

Peter,

I can't say positively either way. This was originally posted on Post#130 by "vintagetoppsguy". It would help a lot if we could see the backs of both cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Corners look different to me, and the 9 has a prominent black speck just in from the border on the top left that does not appear to be there on the 8.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

I can't say positively either way.

I can.

They are definitely the same card.

Here are the bottom right corners blown up.

PSA 8


PSA 9


Notice two things.

1.) How the bottom corners hook down on both cards.
2.) The two indentions on the right border in the same spots. You can only see so far up the right border because it's hidden by the slab on the 9, but you can see enough of it to know they are the same card.

Also look at the same corner ding on the bottom left border in the scans Dan posted above.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The top one looks like it has a slight rounding at the very tip of the corner that the bottom one doesn't have?

[glynparson]

there was a computer that graded cards, don't remember the company. I think they had more fakes in their holders than anyone. Percentage wise anyways. The computer would only grade as accurately as it was programmed. PSA needs to work on QC in my opinion. Also the individual that thinks Joe O should look at all the 10s? That is completely irrational and is not his job. You want to say Reza should, Id kind of agree on high dollar or vintage 10s, but this still is probably not feasible due to their high volume, the isn't SGC's submission totals PSA gets waaaay more cards to grade than SGC.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I can.

They are definitely the same card.

Here are the bottom right corners blown up.

PSA 8


PSA 9


Notice two things.

1.) How the bottom corners hook down on both cards.
2.) The two indentions on the right border in the same spots. You can only see so far up the right border because it's hidden by the slab on the 9, but you can see enough of it to know they are the same card.

Also look at the same corner ding on the bottom left border in the scans Dan posted above.

After studying the two scans, it's my opinion they are the same card. There is a blemish on the 9 on the top edge near the top left corner that isn't on the 8, but that could either be on the slab or even on the card that could have been acquired after the crack-out.

But as David pointed out, there are a lot of identical edge imperfections. Also, the words "Willie Mays - CF" are dead matches when observing the white snow on those letters on both scans.

What most disturbing is that, in my opinion, the corners have been improved. The bottom two corners on the 9 appear to be sharper than the 8. So with that said, subjectivity of assigning accurate grades isn't the only problem with TPG.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Right edge looks like it has a rougher cut in the top card than the bottom card.

[SetBuilder]

Grading shouldn't be done by humans, but by computers.

A computer can scan a card, plot 10,000 points of data, plot all the tobacco stains, plot the creases, paper loss, centering ratio, and come up with a numerical grade.

Accurate 100% of the time.

[biggsdaddycool]

IMHO, the Mays cards are not the same. If you look at the photo the printing flaws in the picture vary from card to card.