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Posted By: Doug Allen
Hey Guys, |
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Posted By: rand
Hi Doug, always great to hear from you. I agree with both sides of this topic. I think the descriptions are just to long and have to much fluff in them. I think both sides can be serviced with less verbage. I will be sending you money soon, as the next auction is around the corner. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Hi Doug- We all agree the detailed historic information is crucial and in no way would anybody suggest you take that out, regardless how long the text might be. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Can someone interpret what Doug said for me? It was written much like the Mastro auction descriptions. |
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Posted By: Doug Allen
That was good Jeff! |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I tend to like the long descriptions on lots that I am interested in - which are usually few and far between since I am mainly interested in specific photos and memorabilia....the more info the better. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Thanks, Doug. After all, I'm not as intelligent or as educated as you are. |
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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
Hi Doug, |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
i agree...as amazing as the Mastro Catalogs are, i would like to see less verbage and larger/more images of certain lots. all the fluffy romance, i can do without, let's just get down to brass. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I think it's important to distinguish between a great historical artifact and a Pete Rose rookie. |
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Posted By: Frank Evanov
A picture is worth a thousand words. |
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Posted By: leon
Doug, I think what you are describing is hopefully the best of both worlds for folks. I like both the detailed descriptions and "some" of the puffery. If you are saying that ya'll are looking at having the long winded (and many times entertaining) write up about the history of the lot and the importance it has in the hobby and then the next paragraph is a detailed, extremely accurate description of the faults of the condition of the card/lot, then everyone should be happy. Also for expensive lots or premium lots the front/ back scans need to be there and very large.....just my 2 cents....and btw, I fully understand you will never, ever make everyone happy. good luck and thanks for coming on and giving your view of a much discussed situation...Almost NO large auction house principals would do that.....regards |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
obviously i would want to hear more on the history, condition and provenance of a Lou Gehrig Jersey and less about how the corners of a PSA 9 Ted Williams could cut steak... |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Cut steak...it's time for another NYC Dinner Thread. I'm up for steak. |
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Posted By: DMcD
Well, I am just a T-bone kinda guy. Love that T-bone. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
barry, i was trying to get another NYC Dinner on the books, anyway...would actually be cool if you could join us, Doug...will you be in NYC anytime soon? |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Last night I went to Masa in the Time Warner building for my anniversary. Best meal that I've ever had in America, a once in a lifetime opportunity. Now how about we have the NYC Dinner Thread Dinner III there? Otherwise, Peter Lugers or Mortons? |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
i heard masa is good...i wouldn't mind spending some coin on a nice meal... |
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Posted By: Dan Koteles
a must have for home made "TAMALES". Who needs New yuk ? |
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Posted By: JimB
It seems to me there are three types of information in Mastro descriptions: the puffery, the historical info, and the condition info. Obviously the latter two are the most important, but the first has never really bothered me so much. Sometimes I even find it amusing, though it is not what guides my bidding decisions. REA tends to focus on the historical info (and condition) and I generally find their catalogs to be more informative. I have not compared, but it seems like there used to be more of the historical information in your catalogs than there has been in recent years. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Luger's would be great but you need a reservation a month in advance and I read that the price of beef will be skyrocketing. I never heard of Masa but I vote for something inexpensive and below 42nd Street (even my Brooklyn neighborhood is loaded with great places). |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
one more O/T post... |
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Posted By: jay behrens
A step in the right direction. Now if you will start listing the "clean up" and "improvements" that have been done to a lot. Double checking basic info on cards would be a good thing too. The whole m101-5 Thorpe situation is inexcusable for a major auction house and makes you look like a bunch of eBay hacks. |
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Posted By: Dan Kravitz
I would like for Mastro to spend as much time describing the faults of the card as they do the puffing the positives. I want to know about creases, paperloss, wrinkles, markings, etc. When I buy a $10,000.00 card, it really is the only thing I am concerned about. I can see the edges and the color in the scan, but I may not be able to see creases and markings. The Wagner Mother's Bread is a great example of Mastro overlooking the problems with a card. They did go back and change the description, but only after someone brought it to their attention. Anyone who looked at the card could tell it had a crease through the middle and the card. I beleive that if you are going to list the positives you should list the negatives, or don't say anything at all and let the grade of the card speak for itself, otherwise it's a used car salesman pitch. I want honesty! Is that asking too much? |
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Posted By: Doug Allen
Hey Jeff, |
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Posted By: David Vargha
How about accurate set descriptions such as, "We have cherry-picked the best cards and have submitted them to PSA for grading. The rest are not representative of what you see slabbed here. In fact, a couple of the raw ones may have been rejected by PSA on our submission, but look near mint"? |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
Doug, when you say you will completely disclose any alterations, I think to be clear you may wish to define your terms because what some consider alterations many don't. For example, is pressing down a corner an alteration? Taking out a surface wrinkle? Not to open a can o' worms but people do want to know, I think. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Peter, excellent point. Previous posts by Doug have shown that some things that Mastro doesn't consider alterations, other do and this is something certainly needs to be made perfectly clear so that there is no misunderstanding. |
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Posted By: Frank Evanov
"We will accurately describe the cards we sell and detail any alterations that we have knowledge of." |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Doug, thanks for responding. |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
This is an excerpt from a prior post by Doug; I have cut and paste with no changes his full response to a question concerning "acceptable" practices. I don't know if this list is coextensive with the way Doug defines what are "alterations" and what are not for purposes of disclosure. |
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Posted By: Doug Allen
I am not going to get into this dialogue again. Many asked me if I regreted my previous posts...not at all. They led to numerous conversations collectors as well as with Joe Orlando and Dave Forman. As a culmination of all of this I will restate my position. Mastro Auctions will disclose any and all alterations to cards that we sell. If we are unable to detect an alteration and it is detected later we will issue a full refund. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
So, I suppose we are to assume that Mastro's policy on this issue has not changed. |
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Posted By: Adam
I don't get what all the fuss is. If someone does not like how Mastro Auctions does business, just don't bid on any of their items. It's as simple as that. Just give your money to some other auction house. |
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Posted By: rand
Jeff, your tone is more than sarcastic, why dont you get JP or a Memory Lane rep here to discuss cards. No company is going to please everyone, its not the point, at least there is dialogue, i was pissed at the 20% and 10% bid increments because it severly lowered my chances of winning some cards, but at least we can have direct converstaion with Doug. I am sure if your work was published on the internet we would find a few flaws with you to. |
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Posted By: Doug Allen
Jeff, |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
First off, JP Cohen is a fraudster and we've already seen the sort of crap he pulls in auctions. Doug knows I don't feel that way about Mastro; I simply want Mastro to be more open and a better auction house. |
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Posted By: Bruce Perry
now if they could only spell!!!!!!!!!!!!...........the mastro catalog descriptions are usually excellent and quite interesting, and the majority of people "get it"....I do not think it is mastro auctions job to baby the uninformed collector...they can email or call mastro auctions and get a more thorough description or explanation......the catalogs are getting thicker and heavier as it is, with what seems to be an increasing number of lots...and the fed ex trucks are having quite a time transporting them |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Think about what you just said. It would take then more time to answer questions if they left out pertinent info than if they included it from the get go. Besides, I think there are certain things they have to cover in the description in order to protect themselves legally. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
So I guess it would be babying the uninformed bidder to disclose a major restoration job on a Keeler cabinet (without getting the ok from the consignor or charging him for the work done) before attempting to pass it off as minimal restoration work? If that's babying, pass me the pacifier.... |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
Take your pick. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I'm partial to blue. |
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Posted By: leon
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Posted By: JimCrandell
"You can rest assured when you bid in my auctions that we will do our best to disclose everything we know regarding card alteration"--Doug Allen |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Hey Jim- welcome back. How are things going? |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
Good to see you. It's a definitional thing I think -- Doug has posted that he doesn't think taking out a light crease that does not break the surface is an "alteration," thus no need to disclose it. As I recall when this subject was last discussed in depth, Doug had expressed the view that he thought the grading companies more or less shared the views expressed in the portion of the post I cut and pasted yesterday, and he indicated he would follow up with them, but I don't recall that we ever heard back from PSA. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Jim, I'm sure Doug would say that this is Mastro's new new new policy going forward. I hadn't seen any mention of their card alterations in the online preview of the June Collector's auction. Maybe the new policy will kick in for the August auction. Or the 08 auctions. Or the later ones. Or the ones after that. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Hey Barry, |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
I assume you are being facetious but to be fair, at least Doug is being consistent -- he has stated his views on what they regard as alterations and what they regard as simply "preparation" that presumably does not need to be disclosed. Now some of us may disagree with the definitions, but at least we know what MIGHT have happened to any card we are considering buying. With others you don't even know that -- except perhaps with REA that says they don't do ANYTHING to prepare cards for submission. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Peter and Jeff, |
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