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Comparison of checklists for T215-1 RED CROSS set vs "PIRATE" set
The RED CROSS (T215-1) set consists of 96 cards. It's essentially comprised of T206 subjects from the 350-only series, 350/460 series,
and 460-only series.....and, one subject from the 150/350 series. T206 "experts" are quite puzzled that American Lithographic (ALC) included this lone 150/350 series card of Mathewson (white cap) in the RED CROSS set....and, even more puzzling is why ALC apparently omitted Cobb from their T215 "PIRATE" set. These cards were issued in 2 series. The 1st series of 48 (or 36) subjects in 1910. The 2nd series of 48 (or 60) subjects in the Spring of 1912. The T215 cards were printed at ALC. The RED CROSS cards were shipped to the Lorillard plant (Factory #10) in Jersey City (NJ), and inserted into the Red Cross tobacco products. A large find of Red Cross cards occurred some years back in the Louisiana area. The "Pirate" cards were shipped to Bristol, England to the W.D. & H.O. Willis Tobacco Co. and inserted in their PIRATE cigarette packs, which were exported to the Far East. Some uncertainty exists with respect to this T215-1 RED CROSS list. However, a 96-card "complete" set of the "PIRATE" Tobacco cards, has been confirmed. By cross-referencing the RED CROSS set and the "PIRATE" set, a close match exists between the fronts of these two White- Bordered, Brown-Captioned sets (with several exceptions in team identifications). . . RED CROSS..... 96 subjects .................................................. ............... "PIRATE"..... 96 subjects (plus Byrne variation) Ames (hands above head)............................................. ..........................Ames (hands above head) Baker............................................. .................................................. ..Baker Ball (Cleveland)....................................... ..............................................Ball Bender (no trees)............................................ ......................................Bender Bridwell (portrait-cap).............................................. ..............................Bridwell (portrait-cap) M. Brown (Chicago)......................................... ......................................M. Brown (Chicago) Byrne (St Louis)............................................ ........................................Byrne (St Louis) NO PRINT .................................................. .........................................Byrne Pittsburg Camnitz (arm at side)............................................. ................................Camnitz Chance (yellow portrait)......................................... ................................Chance (yellow portrait) Chase (trophy).......................................... ...........................................Chase (trophy) Cobb (bat off shoulder)......................................... ....................................... NO PRINT. Ed Collins (A's)............................................. ..........................................Ed Collins (A's) Conroy (bat)............................................. ................................................. NO PRINT Crandall (portrait-cap).............................................. ..............................Crandall (portrait-cap) Crawford (bat)............................................. .........................................Crawford (bat) Cree.............................................. .................................................. ...Cree Davis (A's)............................................. .............................................Davis (A's) Devore............................................ .................................................. ..Devore Donlin (bat) Pittsburg .................................................. .........................Donlin (bat) Doolan (bat)............................................. ............................................Doolan (bat) NO PRINT .................................................. ..........................................Doolan (fielding) Dougherty (arm in air) .................................................. ...........................Dougherty (arm in air) L. Doyle (bat)............................................. ............................................L. Doyle (bat) L. Doyle (portrait)........................................ ............................................L. Doyle (portrait) Dubuc............................................. .................................................. ...Dubuc Elberfeld (fielding)........................................ .........................................Elberfeld (fielding) NO PRINT .................................................. ..........................................Evans Evers (bat-yellow sky).............................................. ...............................Evers (bat-yellow sky) Ford.............................................. .................................................. ....Ford Fromme............................................ .................................................. ..Fromme Griffith (bat) Washington .................................................. .....................Griffith (bat) NO PRINT .................................................. ..........................................Groom Hartsel Toledo .................................................. .....................................Hartsel Herzog New York, NL .................................................. ...........................Herzog Hoblitzel......................................... .................................................. ....Hoblitzell Hofman............................................ .................................................. ..Hofman Howard............................................ .................................................. ..Howard Huggins (portrait) St Louis NL .................................................. ................Huggins (portrait) Huggins (hands/mouth)............................................ ................................Huggins (hands/mouth) Hummel............................................ .................................................. ..Hummel Jennings (one hand)............................................. ...................................Jennings (one hand) Jennings (two hands)............................................ ...................................Jennings (two hands) Johnson (pitching)........................................ ..........................................Johnson (pitching) Kelley............................................ .................................................. ......Kelley Konetchy (glove low).............................................. .................................Konetchy (glove low) Krause............................................ .................................................. ....Krause Lajoie (bat)............................................. .................................................. Lajoie (bat) Lake (no ball)............................................. .............................................Lake (no ball) Latham............................................ .................................................. ....... NO PRINT Leifield (bat)............................................. .................................................. Leifield (bat) Lord.............................................. .................................................. ..........Lord Magee (bat)............................................. .................................................. Magee (bat) Marquard (portrait)........................................ .........................................Marquard (portrait) Marquard (pitching)........................................ ..........................................Marquard (pitching) Mathewson (white cap).............................................. .................................. NO PRINT Mathewson (dark cap).............................................. ................................Mathewson (dark cap) McGinnity......................................... .................................................. ....McGinnity McGraw (portrait-cap).............................................. ...............................McGraw (portrait-cap) McGraw (glove)........................................... ...........................................McGraw (glove) Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago NL)............................................... .......Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago NL) Harry McIntyre Chicago Nat'l .................................................. ..................... NO PRINT Matty McIntyre (Detroit)......................................... .................................Matty McIntyre (Detroit) NO PRINT .................................................. ...........................................Matty McIntyre Chicago AL McLean............................................ .................................................. ...McLean Merkle (throwing)........................................ ...........................................Merkle (throwing) Meyers............................................ .................................................. ...Meyers Miller............................................ .................................................. ......Miller NO PRINT .................................................. .........................................Mitchell (Cinci) Mowrey St Louis NL .................................................. ..............................Mowrey Mullin(bat)....................................... .................................................. ....Mullin (bat) Murphy (bat)............................................. ...........................................Murphy (bat) Murray............................................ .................................................. ...Murray Oakes St Louis NL .................................................. ...............................Oakes Oldring (bat)............................................. ...........................................Oldring (bat) O'Leary (hands/knees)............................................ ................................O'Leary (hands/knees) Paskert........................................... .................................................. ..Paskert Pelty (vertical)........................................ .............................................Pelty (vertical) Purtell........................................... .................................................. ...Purtell Quinn............................................. .................................................. ..Quinn Reulbach (no glove)............................................ ...................................Reulbach (no glove) Rucker (throwing)........................................ ..........................................Rucker (throwing) Schaefer (Washington)...................................... .....................................Schaefer Schulte (back view)............................................. ..................................Schulte (back view) Sheckard (glove)........................................... ........................................Sheckard (glove) Frank Smith Cincinnati .................................................. ........................Frank Smith Cincinnati Speaker........................................... .................................................. .Speaker Stahl (glove)........................................... .............................................Stahl (glove) Steinfeldt (bat) St. Louis NL .................................................. ................Steinfeldt (bat) Street............................................ .................................................. ..Street NO PRINT .................................................. .........................................Summers Sweeney (New York AL)............................................... ..........................Sweeney (New York AL) Tannehill (Chicago AL)............................................... .............................Tannehill (Chicago) NO PRINT .................................................. .........................................Thomas Tinker (bat)............................................. ............................................Tinker (bat) Wagner (bat on right)............................................ .................................Wagner (bat on right) Warhop............................................ .................................................. .Warhop Wheat............................................. .................................................. ..Wheat Doc White (pitching)........................................ ........................................... NO PRINT Willetts.......................................... .................................................. ....Willetts Wilson............................................ .................................................. ....Wilson Wiltse (portrait-cap).............................................. .................................Wiltse (portrait-cap) Wiltse (pitching)........................................ ...........................................Wiltse (pitching) Cy Young (glove)........................................... ............................................ NO PRINT TRADES....circa 1909 - Spring 1912 that are reflected on these T215-1 cards. Bobby Byrne.................from St Louis NL to Pittsburg on Aug 19, 1909 Mike Donlin...................from Boston NL to Pittsburg on February 17, 1912 Clark Griffith.................signed a contract to manage Washington in Oct 1911 Topsy Hartsel...............signed by Toledo (A A) in the Fall of 1911 Buck Herzog.................from Boston NL to New York NL on July 22, 1911 Miller Huggins (port).......from Cinci to St Louis on Feb 3, 1910 Harry McIntyre..............from Brooklyn to Chicago NL on April 13, 1910 Matty McIntyre.............from Detroit to Chicago AL on Jan 12, 1911 Mike Mowrey.................from Cinci to St Louis NL on August 22, 1909 Rebel Oakes..................from Cinci to St Louis on Feb 3, 1910 Frank Smith..................from Boston AL to Cinci on May 11, 1911 Harry Steinfeldt............1912 Spring training tryout with St Louis NL The RED CROSS checklist is still a work in progress; therefore, I would appreciate any updates to it. Especially, I am looking for more team changes....that are different from the original T206 captions. Also, please continue to post your RED CROSS (and "PIRATE") cards here......or, tell us about them. This would especially be appreciated in trying to get a better understanding of the cards in the RED CROSS set. TED Z Last edited by tedzan; 11-05-2017 at 08:43 PM. |
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Good list. From the checklists I have, Harry Krause's T215-1 is the Phil. Athletics and his T215-2 is Cleveland Naps.
Don't have it of course, don't even have a picture of it yet, one of my dream cards. Though I am curious if the list I have is correct on him |
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I appreciate your efforts Ted, but your findings are short of what was actually going on with these sets, or subsets. I encourage you to continue looking into these sets and what may be possible regarding how they were put together. For now you're off the mark.
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I have no personal experience with this set but enjoy reading threads like this where info is shared. Hope you can build on what is already here.
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Hi Brian
If Mr Cathy didn't post it....he does not like it. It's simply his mentality. He has resorted to this type of criticism several times before.
So, just ignore his remarks. The "PIRATE" list of 97 cards, I have gleaned from several sources. I think it is very accurate. However, the RED CROSS list needs to be updated....as the current cataloging of these 96 cards is not completely correct. Therefore, my reason for posting this thread; besides, being informative. My research (so far) indicates 10 subjects in the RED CROSS set have team changes from their T206 counterparts. There are more team changes forthcoming, but they have not yet been confirmed. Furthermore, the list of subjects in this 96-card set is not completely confirmed; and, may require changes. Let's hope this proves to be a meaningful exercise. Best regards, TED Z |
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Yes, Yes, and Yes are the answers to your first three questions. Regarding your last question, I'm always happy to add whatever I can to the discussion if there is interest in what I have to say. I'll post more information about these sets later.
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This is the T215-1 checklist I have and some additional information for the discussion.
1 Ames New York Nat'l 2 Baker Philadelphia Amer. 3 Ball Cleveland 4 Bender (w/ Trees) Philadelphia Amer. 5 Bender (No Trees) Philadelphia Amer. 6 Bridwell Boston Nat'l 7 Byrne Pittsburgh 8 Camnitz Pittsburgh 9 Chance Chicago Nat'l 10 Chase New York Amer. 11 Cobb Detroit 12 Collins Philadelphia Amer. 13 Conroy Washington 14 Crandall New York Nat'l 15 Crawford Detroit 16 Cree New York Amer. 17 Davis Cleveland 18 Devore New York Nat'l 19 Donlin Pittsburgh 20 Doolan (Batting) Philadelphia Nat'l 21 Doolan (Fielding) Philadelphia Nat'l 22 Dougherty Chicago Amer. 23 Doyle (w/ Bat) New York Nat'l 24 Doyle (Portrait) New York Nat'l 25 Elberfeld Washington 26 Ford New York Amer. 27 Fromme Cincinnati 28 Griffith Washington 29 Hartsel Toledo 30 Hoblitzell Cincinnati 31 Hofman Chicago Nat'l 32 Howard Chicago Nat'l 33 Huggins (Portrait) St. Louis Nat'l 34 Huggins (Hands at Mouth) Cincinnati 35 Hummel Brooklyn 36 Jennings (One Hand) Detroit 37 Jennings (Two Hand) Detroit 38 Johnson Washington 39 Konetchy St. Louis Nat'l 40 Krause Philadelphia Amer. 41 Lajoie Cleveland 42 Lake St. Louis Amer. 43 Latham New York Nat'l 44 Leach Pittsburgh 45 Leifield Pittsburgh 46 Lord Chicago Amer. 47 Magee Philadelphia Nat'l 48 Manning New York Nat'l 49 Marquard (Portrait) New York Nat'l 50 Marquard (Pitching) New York Nat'l 51 Mathewson (Dark Cap) New York Nat'l 52 Mathewson (White Cap) New York Nat'l 53 McGinnity Newark 54 McGraw (Portrait w/ Cap) New York Nat'l 55 McGraw (Glove at Hip) New York Nat'l 56 McIntyre Chicago Nat'l 57 Merkle New York Nat'l 58 Meyers New York Nat'l 59 Miller Pittsburgh 60 Mowery St. Louis Nat'l 61 Murphy Philadelphia Amer. 62 Murray New York Nat'l 63 Oakes St. Louis Nat'l 64 O'Leary Detroit 65 Paskert Philadelphia Nat'l 66 Pelty St. Louis Amer. 67 Quinn New York Amer. 68 Reulbach Chicago Nat'l 69 Rucker Brooklyn 70 Schaefer Washington 71 Schulte Chicago Nat'l 72 Sheckard Chicago Nat'l 73 Smith Cincinnati 74 Smither (sic) Montreal 75 Speaker Boston Amer. 76 Stahl Boston Amer. 77 Steinfeldt St. Louis Nat'l 78 Street (Portrait) New York Amer. 79 Street (Catching) New York Amer. 80 Sweeney New York Amer. 81 Tannehill Chicago Amer. 82 Tinker (Bat on Shoulder) Chicago Nat'l 83 Tinker (Bat off Shoulder) Chicago Nat'l 84 Wagner Boston Amer. 85 Warhop New York Amer. 86 Wheat Brooklyn 87 White Chicago Amer. 88 Willetts Detroit 89 Wilson Pittsburgh 90 Wiltse (Portrait w/ Cap) New York Nat'l 91 Wiltse (Pitching) New York Nat'l 92 Young Boston Nat'l I didn't check the entire list in the OP yet, but I did notice Chance should be the bat off pose, not yellow portrait. This is additional player information to add to what is in the OP that is important to dating the set. Bridwell-Boston Nat’l---July 22, 1911 Traded by New York to Boston Nat’l Davis-Cleveland---October 1911 named Cleveland manager Paskert-Philadelphia Nat’l---November 12, 1910 Traded to Philadelphia Nat’l Street-NY Amer---February 17, 1912 Traded to New York from Washington Young-Boston Nat’l---Signed contract with Boston Nat'l Feb 1, 1912 - retired May 24, 1912 Every subjects team designation in the T215-1 set is where they were in the first few months of 1912 with the exception of two. The two are Howard-Chicago Nat'l and Manning-New York Nat'l. Howard did not play for Chicago after 1909 and Manning did not play for New York after 1910. There are players that have no statistics with their designated team in 1912 but were with them at the beginning of the year. Conroy-Washington---Retired/Cut prior to the season in March 1912 Dougherty-Chicago Amer---Retired in late February 1912 prior to the season. Elberfeld-Washington---Retired/Cut prior to the season in March 1912 I'll add more regarding the Pirate set later. Last edited by Abravefan11; 12-12-2012 at 03:35 PM. |
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Great stuff guys.
Tim, I'm always interested in what you have to say; keep posting I was wondering about Smither (sic) Montreal last night as I was reading this thread and looking at the checklists in Lipset's Volume 3, as I didn't see it on Ted's list. I'm hesitant to bring these things up, as I don't want to come across as "confrontational". Unfortunately, sometimes my posts read that way when they aren't. Great thread, love the information !!! Sincerely, Clayton |
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Also, does it imply some similarity in the print process (sheet configuration, etc) between the two?
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Smith began the 1912 season with Cincinnati and was sold to Montreal in June.
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Here are some key cards that show the differences between the T215-1 RC and Pirate sets.
This group shows subjects that were printed with Red Cross and then later updated for the Pirate set. Neal Ball In the RC set his team designation is Cleveland and in the Pirate set it’s Boston American. Ball was purchased by Boston from Cleveland June 25, 1912. Solly Hofman In the RC set his team designation is Chicago Nat’l and in the Pirate set it’s Pittsburgh. Hofman was traded to Pittsburgh from Chicago on May 30, 1912. Harry Krause In the RC set his team designation is Philadelphia Amer. and in the Pirate set it’s Cleveland. Krause was sold from Philadelphia to Cleveland in July 1912. Lefty Leifield In the RC set his team designation is Pittsburgh and in the Pirate set it’s Chicago Nat’l. Leifield was traded from Pittsburgh to Chicago May 30, 1912. Barney Pelty In the RC set his team designation is St. Louis Amer. And in the Pirate set it’s Washington. Pelty was sold by St. Louis to Washington June 11, 1912. This group is the opposite of the one above. The Pirate team designations reflect where the subject played prior to where they played on the Red Cross designation. Harry Lord In the RC set his team designation is Chicago Amer. and in the Pirate set it’s Boston Amer. Lord was traded from Boston to Chicago August 9, 1910. Topsy Hartsel In the RC set his team designation is Toledo and in the Pirate set it’s Philadelphia Amer. Hartsel played for Philadelphia in 1911 and managed Toledo in 1912. Harry Steinfeldt In the RC set his team designation is St. Louis Nat’l and in the Pirate set it’s Chicago Nat’l. Steinfeldt played for Cubs in 1911 and was purchased by St. Paul in June of that year. He was signed by St. Louis in March 1912. Gabby Street In the RC set his team designation is NY Nat’l and in the Pirate set it’s Washington. Street was traded by Washington to New York February 17, 1912. |
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One other subject that is important to the Pirate set is Bobby Byrne. There are two variations of this card. One with a Pittsburgh team caption and the other with a St. Louis team caption. Byrne was traded from St. Louis to Pittsburgh in August 1909. The early Pirate printing appears to be a reuse of the T206 images exactly as they were. The later Pirate printing appears to have been updated to where players were the second half of 1912.
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Comparison of checklists for T215-1 RED CROSS set vs "PIRATE" set
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You are waffling....a week ago (per above quote), you stated that all the RED CROSS cards were produced in a single printing. So, what makes you agree with what most of us veteran collectors have always known ? That the evidence clearly indicates that there was a 1910 printing, followed by a Spring 1912 printing of the T215-1 cards ? You reminds us of a Massachusetts politician who first voted against a bill, then voted for it Whatever, it surely is appreciated the team change info that you have provided. It was the reason that motivated me to start this thread. But, I have a question....have all these team changes been confirmed on actual cards, or are some hearsay ? Furthermore, it is my understanding that a total of 96 subjects were printed and issued in the RED CROSS set. Your list is missing 4 subjects. Any of the following are possible candidates........ Evans Evers Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago NL) Matty McIntyre (Detroit) Mitchell Summers Thomas TED Z Last edited by tedzan; 12-03-2012 at 12:52 PM. |
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I don't agree that any of the T215-1's were printed in 1910. I still believe the same thing that's in my quote you referenced. I'm not sure what led you to draw the conclusion that I have changed my opinion, but I haven't.
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I recently won this t215-1 byrne...as I collect this pose of Byrne with different Louisiana brand backs...so what would the difference between this one and the other Pitt printing? So there is no t215-1 St Louis Byrne as Ted suggests?
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I reiterate my question from my previous post...."But, I have a question....have all these team changes been confirmed on actual cards, or are some hearsay ? I ask you this, because I have seen RED CROSS Bobby Byrne with a St Louis NL caption. But, your list says Pittsburg....something is not jiving here. TED Z |
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Peter - If a St. Louis Byrne is out there I haven't seen it. I'd admittedly be surprised if there was a St. Louis variation, but anything is possible.
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well I'm kinda hoping there is not a byrne st louis out there too!!!!
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Hi Ted, I don't believe Evers is in the Red Cross type 1 set. I certainly have never seen or heard of one, but I'm proven wrong on a daily basis. I would love to see a scan if anyone has one. I look for and research his cards from time to time.
Thanks for sharing your information Ted and Tim. And by the way nice card Pete. |
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I formatted these two lists in parallel in order to facilitate comparing the subjects by simply scanning across the page. I can understand, though, what you are saying that this may be somewhat confusing. "96" means subjects....as, the sheet size could be any multiple of 12 cards (i.e., 36 cards, 48 cards, 60 cards, 72 cards, 96 cards, etc.). TED Z |
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Great card Pete!
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thanks guys!
Is there a Byrne in t215-2...does anyone know? |
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Yes. Pittsburgh.
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thanks Tim...and I believe the t215-Pirate depicts Byrne on st louis.
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Actually there are two Pirate variations of Byrne. St. Louis and Pittsburgh.
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Ted – I took a look and here is where I see your T215-1 Red Cross checklist and the one I posted don’t jibe.
Not on your list/On mine Bender (w/ Trees) Doolan (Fielding) Leach Manning Smithier Street (Portrait/Catching)* Tinker (Bat On/Off)* *You have one Street and one Tinker on your list without identifying the pose. Each have two poses in the T215-1 set according to the list I posted. On your list/Not on mine M. Brown (Chicago) Dubuc Evers (bat-yellow sky) Herzog New York, NL Kelley Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago NL) Matty McIntyre (Detroit) McLean Mullin (bat) Oldring (bat) Purtell |
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OK, I was away. Now, as I have stated in my initial post here, I expected some differences in my RED CROSS list, since it was an old one. If we assume that your list is a valid representation of the RED CROSS set....it is still missing 4 subjects. American Lithographic printed and issued 96 subjects for the RED CROSS set. Given the "PIRATE" set list, any 4 of the following subjects should fill out your list of 92 subjects to bring us to a total of 96 subjects in the RED CROSS set........ M. Brown (Chicago) Byrne (St Louis NL) .... ? Dubuc Evans Groom Herzog New York, NL Kelley Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago NL) Matty McIntyre (Chicago AL) McLean Mitchell Mullin (bat) Oldring (bat) Purtell Summers Thomas Thank you for sharing your RED CROSS list with us. We still have 4 subjects that have to be confirmed. TED Z |
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This is great stuff. It is especially cool to see both of you guys (Tim and Ted) sharing your information in this thread and slowly coming to a consensus. Keep it up.
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Ted - I have a couple of points to make about your last post and I will separate them to try and avoid any confusion.
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Lastly, like the Red Cross set, new confirmations of Pirate cards have been discovered in the not-so-distant past. So for now we can't be certain that the Pirate checklist is complete at 96 or 97. |
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The lists that I am familiar with show 90 known examples. All of the ones Tim has up there except for a second Doolan and the Manning. I guess the Doolan and Manning are recent discoveries. I always have assumed the set has 100 designs like it says on the card.
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They were in "The Louisiana Find" from 2010. REA auctioned them in 2011.
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Comparison of checklists for T215-1 RED CROSS set vs "PIRATE" set
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Tim Huggins (Hands at Mouth) is actually Cincinnati....I have seen this card. Furthermore, a Net54 member that collects T215-1 RED CROSS cards (40% complete set) has this Huggins (Cinci). So, is the card you listed a variation, or what ? I have never seen this Huggins with a St Louis caption. And, the above mentioned Net 54 collector has not either. TED Z |
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I stated that I have seen this card....but, in your usual self-centered attitude, you are obviously dismissing my input. And, I really resent this. Furthermore, you are questioning the guy who actually owns this card in his T215 collection. He is a long-time, well-known guy on this forum; and, lately he very seldom posts. As, he doesn't care for the immature confrontations that have transpired on this forum this past year (or so). I don't find the difference in team identification on the two Huggins' cards at all going against anything I have noticed about the RED CROSS set. One group of the cards were printed in 1910 and a 2nd series of cards were printed in the Spring of 1912. But, if you are content to maintain an inaccurate list, that's your business. You claim to welcome new inputs in your data; but, when given you choose not accept them ! C'est la vie TED Z |
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T215-2 Huggins port
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Here is the T215-2 HUGGINS PORT I have. I mostly collect only series 2, but have handled 10-12 type 1 cards without seeing a type 1 Huggins. My checklist was the 15th edition scd which does not list team variations. Lipset's encyclopedia has teams, but does not mention the cincy. I am assuming this is the type one collection listed on the SGC registry, which is an astounding collection of cards. These cards appear so infrequently that they are almost impossible to fully checklist. |
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Rob - I'm not sure if when you say you haven't seen a Type 1 Huggins you mean the Hands at Mouth pose or both it and the portrait. Here's a link to the portrait in case you haven't seen it.
This cards team designation is St. Louis, the same as all other cards from the issues in question I have seen. Ted - Nothing about my post was disrespectful to you in anyway. As I said, a Cincinnati variation seems to contradict everything else about the set in my opinion. So starting from that position I think most people would understand why I would like to see a scan. I'd love for this longtime member to post one. Perhaps you could post it for him? Last edited by Abravefan11; 12-11-2012 at 04:49 PM. |
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Tim,
Thanks for the link to the H&S auction. That was a great card. What's funny is that they sent me that catalog and it is here in my office somewhere, but I never looked at it because I was on a collecting hiatus in 2009. I had not seen the T215-1 Huggins port until now, and I have not seen a T215-1 Huggins HM. ............. Ted Z, If you could get a scan from the T215-1 collector, then that would be great. I would like to see it also. If not, thanks for the update anyway. |
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Hi Ed,
Thanks for posting that and confirming the team designation. I updated the checklist I posted. Last edited by Abravefan11; 12-12-2012 at 03:39 PM. |
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Re: Comparison of checklists for T215-1 RED CROSS set vs "PIRATE" set
My pleasure, Tim. It's pretty rare the I actually have something to add to the scholarship on these boards. Thanks for all your efforts.
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That's another piece to the puzzle and a great looking card as well.
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Great card Ed
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Thanks Ed....great looking card, too. I think we can conclude that this dispute has been settled. TED Z |
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