Where is the market?...is a "crash" coming

[oldschool73]

Hello,

I'll start by saying that i am first a collector...but a "conservative" one who appreciates a "deal". I am curious to know where my fellow 50's-70's baseball collectors & those who invest..think we are with prices today? IMO-we are still headed for a recession in the US (I hate being negative but I don't see how we avoid this)...so think card prices may/should drop accordingly.

I welcome thoughts/opinions.

-os73

[bcbgcbrcb]

When the pending doom of a recession actually arrives, history has shown that the average time frame lasted is only about 9 months with a positive turnaround on the other side of it. I think the imminent doom and gloom beforehand is much worse than the recession itself. I think we have been and are continuing to experience this already for quite a while now.

[Johnny630]

Post War has Substantially Corrected from the highs which I contend many may have been fluff numbers…we are entering imo a normalization period…we will be up from pre pandemic but nowhere near as up as in what cards were selling for in major auctions back in 2021.

I seen a few dealers this weekend with tons of over priced graded post war….none of it was selling. The reason it’s for sale and not up for auction is because they don’t have the guts to roll the dice…they know people aren’t paying up like they did.

Pre War and the Post War Killer Names Centered in higher grades are all more then Fire 🔥 Cobb Ruth Wagner Jackson Mantle Jackie and Mays.

[rjackson44]

Yes the market is crashing ,thats why i bought 1 k in vintage hockey😳😳💃🏼

[Peter_Spaeth]

How many times can we keep doing this?

[theshowandme]

I will keep buying

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How many times can we keep doing this?

For as long as it takes!!!

[trambo]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How many times can we keep doing this?

I'm thinking maybe like six more times.....

[RCFire82]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Pre War and the Post War Killer Names Centered in higher grades are all more then Fire 🔥 Cobb Ruth Wagner Jackson Mantle Jackie and Mays.

I've seen it with the others...but Reggie Jackson?

[Mark17]

And Jackie Coogan??

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Mark17

And Jackie Coogan??

That Addams Family card is well centered...Uncle Fester's head is sunken down smack dab into the middle of his sternum.

Brian

[Pato15]

Originally Posted by RCFire82

I've seen it with the others...but Reggie Jackson?

Don't be silly. They're obviously talking about Roy Lee Jackson

[BabyRuth]

Just some food for thought:

1968 Topps 3-D Uncut sheet with Clemente and 2 proof cards


Summer 2023 REA Lot#1402 sold for $29,400

Fall 2023 REA Lot#2149 hi bid $13,000 - not sold reserve not met

Looks like the exact same sheet, with the exact same description for both auctions.

What a difference 3 months make!!!

[BioCRN]

Keeping it strictly cards, I'm seeing a slow-down in buying, but I'm not seeing people selling off their collections to pay bills or otherwise get loot.

The "Ebay museum" of overpriced pre-war vintage doesn't seem to be coming down and there doesn't seem to be much new inventory making it's way there for sale that would indicate people needing to sell off for other needs.

[Flintboy]

Originally Posted by oldschool73

Hello,

I'll start by saying that i am first a collector...but a "conservative" one who appreciates a "deal". I am curious to know where my fellow 50's-70's baseball collectors & those who invest..think we are with prices today? IMO-we are still headed for a recession in the US (I hate being negative but I don't see how we avoid this)...so think card prices may/should drop accordingly.

I welcome thoughts/opinions.

-os73

This depends on who you ask. If you ask a dealer, there been absolutely no down turn, just look at the prices on their cards at shows. You ask any collector, prices have been trending downward since the COVID era.

[theshowandme]

See last weeks LOTG and this weeks REA winners threads…

Prices are strong on the good stuff

[Republicaninmass]

Jesus, if THAT hogwash passes as "teaching", I can only imagine what The kids are learning


Save our souls

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[todeen]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Jesus, if THAT hogwash passes as "teaching", I can only imagine what The kids are learning


Save our souls

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"Teaching" was tongue in cheek, sir. BNorth seems to have understood. I guess it "depends" on whether you want to join us.



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[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by todeen

"teaching" was tongue in cheek, sir. Bnorth seems to have understood. I guess it "depends" on whether you want to join us.



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nice!!

[grandslamcardscria]

Deals galore. Just a little market correction, no big deal.




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[jsfriedm]

Not sure how this fits into the story, but here is one high-grade vintage "immortal" that went shockingly low compared to even lower grade examples in recent years. Behold, a PSA 6 T205 Walter Johnson in REA (Although, to be fair, I have a hard time imagining that that top border was not trimmed, which is why I didn't bid on it - and maybe I wasn't the only one):

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=161510

But, for comparison, and there were much higher examples I could have chosen over the last couple of years, here is a PSA 4.5 that sold in Memory Lane just three months ago for more:

https://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/...e?itemid=78191

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jsfriedm

Not sure how this fits into the story, but here is one high-grade vintage "immortal" that went shockingly low compared to even lower grade examples in recent years. Behold, a PSA 6 T205 Walter Johnson in REA (Although, to be fair, I have a hard time imagining that that top border was not trimmed, which is why I didn't bid on it - and maybe I wasn't the only one):

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=161510

But, for comparison, and there were much higher examples I could have chosen over the last couple of years, here is a PSA 4.5 that sold in Memory Lane just three months ago for more:

https://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/...e?itemid=78191

Yeah even if not trimmed, not a 6.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by jsfriedm

Not sure how this fits into the story, but here is one high-grade vintage "immortal" that went shockingly low compared to even lower grade examples in recent years. Behold, a PSA 6 T205 Walter Johnson in REA (Although, to be fair, I have a hard time imagining that that top border was not trimmed, which is why I didn't bid on it - and maybe I wasn't the only one):

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=161510

But, for comparison, and there were much higher examples I could have chosen over the last couple of years, here is a PSA 4.5 that sold in Memory Lane just three months ago for more:

https://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/...e?itemid=78191

Is it just me or is it an optical illusion that the PSA6 T205 WaJo shows signs of trimming on the upper left corner. My eye sight must be getting worse... That just looks horrible. Makes me want to find out who the submitter for the card was, but we'll never know.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Fred

Is it just me or is it an optical illusion that the PSA6 T205 WaJo shows signs of trimming on the upper left corner. My eye sight must be getting worse... That just looks horrible. Makes me want to find out who the submitter for the card was, but we'll never know.

i dont care for the top edge

[Yoda]

I would like to believe that the majority of Net54 members love baseball and its history and collect prewar to remind us of "when it was a game." At heart we are collectors who love our cards but, of course, keep a close eye on values. And when it behooves us, we will sell to upgrade or put the money into something else vintage.
Our board and a few like it are a financial prop against a collapse of prewar and AH's, like REA, LOTG and Heritage, benefit enormously for our support of prewar and some of our members, more well-heeled than others, are able to fork over significant sums for top items. That's just capitalism.