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Cooperstown needs to terminate relationship with the writers
The Baseball Hall Of Fame is a broken establishment. For far too long have the writers been tainting the reputation of the HOF and diluting it's halls to become instead the Hall of Very Good and Great Players. It has lost much of it's exclusivity.
Writers have been bestowed the priveledge (no.. it should not be a right) of voting on the enshrinement of formeer players. The aguement for their voting has been that they are well informed and more in tune with the game itself and are thus more able to judge a player's merit. While this may have held a little mor weight 40 years ago, it does not hold true today. Information is available to everyoe at the click of a button. I can watch a player or team instantly and follow the games of any team at anytime if I so wish. Writers who have been given this privlege have not much more information than the average fan anymore. The only qualifier for this privelege is that they are a baseball writer for at least ten years. No other creds neccessary. Some of these people are definately from the shallow end of the gene pool. Really look at some of the votes that have been cast. These writers now use their vote as a meaans for clickbait and to get their names back out there by submitting ludicrous submissions. The writers already vote for the annual awards and I have no issue with that. Except those hypocrites who for years were giving MVP's and CYA"s to Bonds and Clemens but now all of a sudden have some Self-Righteous conscience that now will not allow them to vote for them for the Hall. I would suggest that the vote be stripped from the writers and put where it belongs. Into the realm of the fans themselves. It is the fans that pay to visit the Hall of Fame, It is the fans who paid to watch the players, paid for merch and jerseys, kept the teams in business and the attention of the fans helped get the players paid. If it were not for the fans there would not be a game and there would be no Hall of Fame. As a fan I am a bit offended that we are thought of as ignorant and are not afforded the opportunity to have a say in who should be considered a Hall of Famer.... Have a voting forum similar to the All Star Ballots. Why should the fans be left out of the process when it has been the fan that made the whole thing possible to begin with. Sorry, a bit of a rant.... I do also find it strange that the National Baseball Hall of Fame does not have an actual affiliation with the MLB but still holds to the "banned from MLB banned from the Hall" position. Have a look at their website and their mission statement, it was set up to prserve the history of the game itself not Major League Baseball. Not tellling the whole story is not preserving history. It is the 21st century ideal of omitting the parts that dont fit your idea of right and wrong. |
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I understand and support your feelings and reasons but I think putting it in the hands of the fans is a mistake.
They really need to come up with a better voting system or committee to vote or some controls/tighter rules for the writers
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I think there are a lot more examples of the fans voting undeserving players into the All Star game than there are examples of the writers voting undeserving players into the Hall of Fame. It's mainly been the various Veteran's Committees over the years that have elected undeserving players into the Hall of Fame.
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Fixed it, and responsibility is displayed bigger for a reason.
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Yawn, interesting as it’s mostly former baseball people that put the borderline guys in you seem to have a problem with.
I’m usually pretty suspicious of any “let’s kill the media” sentiments. It’s generally just an excuse to democratize idiocy, misinformation, conspiracy theory and intimidation. Falls in line with us marginalizing experts who get things right 9 times out of 10, in favor of loudmouth pundits who guess right 1 out of 10, and are treated as prophets by some. |
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Also, I’m committing to slug a shot of Southern Comfort every time one of you fella’s use the term “Hall Of Very Good” in this thread. Please go easy on me guys. I have to be somewhere by 5pm.
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Glad I took took the opportunity to open a discussion. Having an opinion is not a sin, even if an unpopular one. I never said the writers should be stripped of their credenials in way shap or form. I did say that that their judgemets should be questioned in the same way that the US runs it's politics as not a democracy but a democratic republic. I f there is an insistance of the writers being the be all and end all as to voting for candidates, let the fans determine who actiually has a say.
Seriously look at some of the recent ballots and tell me honestly that there arent voters who have the privelege and so called responibility of this actually have any clue. I am not saying all by any stretch but enough that their criedibility should at least be questioned. If your local congress person (god forbid i offend anyone) said one thing and did another wouldnt you question their motives and or agenda? I am actually ok with keeping known suspected cheaters out of the Hall if that is the case. But make it right across the board... Hate to say it but Bonds and Clemens never actually got caught of doing anything wrong. It is pure speculation and assumption. Ortiz was actually caught but thats ok, Perry wrote a frikin book and continued to do it after, but thats OK, brett didnt have too much pine tar, Whitey used gunk but no bother, Don Sutton never did anything wrong really, If we hold some out, kick the others out!! tired of the good for some but not all mentality. Pudge, Piazza, Bagell and others in the Hall have ties but no one bats an eye. Am just a bit tired of the hypocracy. If they cheated shame on them, but what if everyone is wrong are we prepared to say shame on us? |
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I agree that Ortiz being ignored and all the others punished is absurd, but I fail to see how Brett’s excessive pine tar in a series is even close to similar.
The general public is the stupidest group of people that exists. I can’t fathom how they would vote better. I can’t fathom why we would think they would hold fair standards and enforce them the same on everyone regardless of popularity and narrative. Almost all of the mistakes are from the Vets committee. |
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If the public got to vote, Kevin Costner would be in the baseball HOF within two years.
Tik Tok groups would band together to stuff the ballot boxes to elect Rusty Kuntz and Pete LaCock by the end of the decade. |
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This here. The one person most responsible for electing Hall of Good players to the HOF was Frankie Frisch. The BBWAA is fine at doing their job. Except for 2001-07, the Veteran's Committees have been pretty bad.
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The Hall of Fame standard, based on WAR (yeah, yeah, I know..."what is it good for") has actually going UP over time. The Hall of Fame did get watered down...almost immediately after opening. The last several decades have actually been pushing the standard up, not down.
Of course, a lot of the reason the standard got watered down was, as someone else, not the writers, but the various iterations of the vets committee.
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I can't stand writers who submit one name, two names, etc instead of voting a full ballot. It kills me. I look at ballots sometimes and think "there are 5/7/10 guys on here who deserve a vote." If they don't want to vote strip the vote from them.
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