Possible cut t206 sheet from ebay... Opinions?

[t206fix]

Recently Greg Morris auctions sold a group of Sweet Cap factory 25s on ebay that I believe were part of an original sheet (or sheets). The back cuts are alcl the same, which may be too big of a coincidence coming from the same collection. Also, all of the cards are marked with either a HD back stamp, or a cursive HD. I've reached out to GM on ebay, but they had no idea of where the collection came from (I was hoping for more info from them). Here is a link to one of the auctions, and you can use "sold items" to view the rest of the auctions:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/38465728832...AAAOSwj~Rh1K6X

I'll also apologize in advance for the multiple posts. I can't seem to figure out how to post pics in between words .

A few observations from that auction:

1. There were a significant number of tougher Sweet Cap 350 factory 25s. I've been following all 25s for awhile, and there were multiple cards in that auction that I only see pop up in auction every few years. However, in this auciton, there were multiple single copies.

2. The Bender 350.25 has a visible pencil mark (possible indicating hand cut). I do believe other cards have pencil marks as well, but it's hard to tell from the scans.

3. The Meyers has a paper fragment, as if it was cut recently. This may be a large jump, but I thought it odd that a card cut 110+ years ago has this dangler (I know that it may be something else, so this is a wildly speculative).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/31381964466...p2047675.l2557

[t206fix]

4. So, a number of the cards also have the exact same back cut. This is print group 350a:

[t206fix]

Print group B

[t206fix]

And the two of them together (which may indicate they were on the same sheet, or maybe not... see further posts). He also sold other 350 a/b group cards that I haven't spliced together yet, but I'm guessing based on other groupings, they will have the same cut.

[t206fix]

5. He also sold 4 E12 SC.30s. They all seem to be cut from the same sheet:

[t206fix]

Jason, your Wheat is on the far right.

[jason.1969]

I am very interested to see where this goes! I bought the Wheat and a Wilhelm in the auction. My two cards appear appropriately sized but I passed on some other Brooklyn players whose cards seemed small. I’d assumed trimming but perhaps hand cut then is an option.


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[jason.1969]

The cards finally arrived. Pics distort the measurements a bit since ruler is raised. Actual
size of Wheat is just a hair under 2-5/8” tall and pretty much exactly 1-7/16 wide. These measurements more or less match the official size attributed to the set.

Interestingly the Wilhelm I won in the same auction comes in a full 1/16 of an inch shorter and perhaps 1/32 of an inch narrower.

[t206fix]

Thanks for sharing Jason. I don't think the 150s with the GB back stamp are related. They look to be trimmed on all three boarders (maybe be handcut, maybe a bored child). The Wheat def seems connected. I received my cards as well, they seem to measure as well.


For what its worth, there were also 4 SC.350.30s sold from that lot that have the same back dimensions. No back stamp however, not sure if from the same collection, but looks to have similar cut to others. I honestly haven't had a lot of time to try to splice these together and play around with them. There seems to be a slight diagonal cut on the tops/backs that gradually changes. I'm wondering if there is any significance to this. Will post more later when there is more time:

[joshleon]

I bought a Dick Rudolph in this auction which is a tad taller and narrower than other cards. Does not have the same back as these but from same auction.

I'd post but I'd think Dick (Rudolph) pics are frowned upon?

If the taller/narrower thing is normal then let me know

[t206fix]

Originally Posted by joshleon

I bought a Dick Rudolph in this auction which is a tad taller and narrower than other cards. Does not have the same back as these but from same auction.

I'd post but I'd think Dick (Rudolph) pics are frowned upon?

If the taller/narrower thing is normal then let me know

Stricken from the record!

[t206fix]

my bad

[Leon]

Originally Posted by t206fix

Josh, I'd love to see your dick!

We are not going to have any of that on this forum!
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[dougscats]

Hi Tony.

I was going to write you when I won these, excited as I was to get Camnitz, but I've been relocating, busy, waiting for them to arrive at my new address, and just got a printer/scanner that I'm still learning to use.

I was wondering if these cards were trimmed. But I think that you may be onto something, that they may be handcut from the same sheet. That's exciting if it is the case and may well help to solve the mystery of the uncut sheet.

I'll be interested to hear what our resident experts think.

[dougscats]

See Post 24, above.

[fkm_bky]

This Herzog is definitely not a Trim and I'm almost certain it's cut from a sheet, but obviously there's no definitive proof. It now resides in an SGC-A tomb.

SC-460 f. 30

Bill

[JollyElm]

Is that red area on the Camnitz printed like that, or was it added later? If printed, maybe someone out there has a matching card that appeared to the right of him on the sheet.

[dougscats]

It appears that the red mark on Camnitz is just that, a red mark, not a printing mark.

I'm surprised that no one has really pursued Tony's hypothesis, that these SC 350's and 460's are hand-cut from the same sheets.

Maybe it's gone as far as it can go?

Are there any more of these HD back-stamps out there?
Or any other similarly cut SC 350's and 460's? [Possibly, particularly as we see no doubles, they could have been split up with other collectors.]