Another T206 Wagner "? AUTHTCT"

[Edwolf1963]

Latest one ..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/t206-honus-w...AAAOSwWntXMm79


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...UAAOSwXj5XG5Iz

Shocking feedback on the last one .. (-1) now ..

case and card in photo does not match item. p***t ( 376Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499) During past month
Reply by chartso5 (May-03-16 16:25):
Horrible Buyer, Item was as described. Refunded as well. Inconsiderate.
1909-11 T206 BROADLEAF CIGARETTES HONUS WAGNER (#262402036388) US $82.07 View Item

[Joshwesley]

Gotta admit.... They did a good job with the slab.
Lol

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by Joshwesley

Gotta admit.... They did a good job with the slab.
Lol

Seriously this is scary shit right here. WHY is this still listed? And so much for the little hologram making things more safe.

[Pilot172000]

Ran the Cert # just for fun and it isn't even in the data base.

[swarmee]

It's probably not a fake PSA tag; it says Questionable Authenticity. I'm not sure they technically label anything fake.

[swarmee]

I wonder how much he had to pay ($700) to learn that there isn't a Broad Leaf Wagner...

[vintagetoppsguy]

I thought they didn't enter the cert numbers in their database on cards with questionable authenticity? The flip is absolutely real. And shame in PSA for even labelling it as questionable (as if there is a chance) authenticity.

[Edwolf1963]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I thought they didn't enter the cert numbers in their database on cards with questionable authenticity?

Hmmm, didn't know that. I looked up the flip # as well and it came back unknown, so thought something was amiss. If it's known there wasn't a T206 Wagner w/BroadLeaf back (or so I would gather from others feedback), why wouldn't PSA note it as a reprint/fake then? Instead of questionable authenticity.

[njdunkin1]

I saw this as well, at first I thought there was a chance. After a close look, though, you can easily see the extra bright color and signs of a reprint. Yikes!

[Pilot172000]

Finding a real Broadleaf Wagner would be like finding survivors from the Titanic on a life boat off the coast of Greenland..... Last Wednesday

[53Browns]

I have implicit trust in his "zero" feedback.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by Edwolf1963

Hmmm, didn't know that. I looked up the flip # as well and it came back unknown, so thought something was amiss. If it's known there wasn't a T206 Wagner w/BroadLeaf back (or so I would gather from others feedback), why wouldn't PSA note it as a reprint/fake then? Instead of questionable authenticity.

Good question I might add a note that nobody has touched base on yet. Not only is there no Broad Leaf Wagner.

The series the Wagner was printed didn't even print Broad Leaf!



These are it

Piedmont 150
Sweet Caporal 150/25
Sweet Caporal 150/30

[bnorth]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with the listing. There is no BS story saying it could be real. It is a hell of a lot better than someone listing a card as ExMint or NrMint when the card is in a Authentic holder, to me that is trying to deceive someone.

[ZachS]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I thought they didn't enter the cert numbers in their database on cards with questionable authenticity? The flip is absolutely real. And shame in PSA for even labelling it as questionable (as if there is a chance) authenticity.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by ZachS

More like one out of a million

[begsu1013]

the reason psa labels it "? authen" is due to liability.

had the flip said "complete fake", guy turns around, sells the thing for $1 to another collector, only to be resubmitted and have it turn out to be a million dollar card psa would be on the hook for some serious cash.

"? oceanfront" in arizona.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

the reason psa labels it "? authen" is due to liability.

had the flip said "complete fake", guy turns around, sells the thing for $1 to another collector, only to be resubmitted and have it turn out to be a million dollar card psa would be on the hook for some serious cash.

"? oceanfront" in arizona.

but that makes no sense as it's impossible for this wagner to be real. Does PSA not know this?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

had the flip said "complete fake", guy turns around, sells the thing for $1 to another collector, only to be resubmitted and have it turn out to be a million dollar card psa would be on the hook for some serious cash.

Bob, let's use your example and tweak it a little bit. Guy has a card and the flip says "altered". He sells it for $1 to another collector, only to be resubmitted and have it turn out to be a million dollar card. Would PSA still be on the hook for some serious cash because they mis-graded it the first time?

How can they state a fact (altered, trimmed, re-colored) on one aspect of the card, but only give an opinion (questionable authenticity) on another aspect of a card? It's either altered or it isn't. It's either authentic or it isn't. Authenticity is a black/white issue. There is no gray area.

Originally Posted by Pilot172000

There is zero profit and a ton of liability in identifying fakes.

Wrong! PSA still charges the SAME grading fee whether a card is deemed authentic with a numerical grade or it's rejected for questionable authenticity.

Questionable Authenticity is nothing more than an excuse for incompetency. If your next door neighbor brought you that card for your opinion, would you tell him that it's "questionable authenticity" or would you say, "It's a fake?"

Edited to add: This is from their website: "Professional Sports Authenticator (PSA) is the largest and most trusted third-party grading and authentication company in the world."