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Lionel Carter at the 1974 Detroit show
In 1974, Lionel Carter wrote an incredibly detailed account of his and his wife Irma's experiences at the Detroit convention (officially called the Midwest Sports Collectors Convention) for The Ballcard Collector. It was so detailed that editor George Martin had to publish it in three parts, one for each day of the convention (Friday-Saturday-Sunday, July 19-21, 1974), in the November 1974-January 1975 issues of The Ballcard Collector. I only have the December 1974 issue, with Carter's account of Saturday, July 20, but it's still a fascinating snapshot of what a major card convention was like at a time when the hobby was starting to undergo major changes, many of which Carter didn't like. He saw his first counterfeit card (1959 Fleer Ted Williams #68, a hot rarity at the time), which shook him up. He and Irma were selling Topps cards for 1 cent apiece, below market price, but some people were going through and picking out the superstars, unlike the "real card collectors" who were going through checklists for the cards they needed. Others were buying Lionel's cards for 1 cent and then immediately selling them for 2 cents or more, which did not please him. His account of the auction at the end of the day is great, with Bill Mastro lurking behind auctioneer Frank Nagy pulling on his coat. It appears that people just brought things up for the auction with little rhyme or reason, first come first served, and Carter had to get help from John Rumierz to get even one item in.
Anyway, I present to you -- Lionel Carter. |
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He is lamenting that some kid was buying his cards at one cent each and then selling them at two, when he was trying to do the kid a favor. The more things change...
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that kid was probably bill mastro. oh wait no, mastro would've trimmed the cards to a better grade, have his friend (let's call him mug dallen) pretend to be an interested party to drive up the price to 5cents ea and then dump them off to the unsuspecting buyer.
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Nice of Carter to mention dedicated collector Roland Villard, who had to make a special effort to attend.
http://www.the-daily-record.com/obit...rd-79-orrville |
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He stated that Mint cards of older sets appear to be things of the past. I also remember those 1970's shows and I attended many shows and I only picked the best of the best. Years later when I sent these cards to be graded, most came back PSA 6's or 7's and these were the best on dealer tables. I don't understand where all the 8's, 9's and 10's of older cards have come from in recent years, when they couldn't be found 40 years ago.
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Great Read!
Thanks for sharing! I especially like his vivid details of interactions with other collectors. His concern for future collectors and the state of the hobby was obvious, all the way back in 1974. Very cool!
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Yeah, saw that. And the "rip off" with the Washington Nationals cards.
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What attention to detail! Can anyone share the next article so we can see what happened Sunday? Joe
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I have NO recollections of being one of the auctioneers as Lionel mentions. I am sure he is correct, just that this 70 year old can not recall, though I do remember being at all the early shows.
Fun times! Fred McKie Last edited by whiteymet; 07-17-2020 at 10:09 PM. |
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Interesting 115 Neilson's Chocolate cards for $400.
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425 different t206s didn’t receive a 200.00 minimum bid.
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