e90-1 miller w/sunset reprisal...who's got one?

[ullmandds]

Scott's well thought out interpretation of the scarcities present in e90-1 spawned discussion regarding the dots miller w/sunset variation. Most...I'd surmise 95% or more of e90-1 millers found are the bland bluer version without the sunset that is present on EVERY OTHER dots miller sharing this pose in EVERY OTHER E, D, T set.

This variation has been discussed before...but only in the recent past. I wonder if this variation was known 20-30 yrs ago? I also wonder if set collectors of this set...TBOB, TONYA, TEDZ, SCOTTF...do you guys have this variation in your set?

Why won't the grading companies recognize it and slab it as such...LAME!!!!!

I don't think are that many of them out there...In fact I think single digits.

So Who has one?

Post em if you got em!

ps...if you want to learn about e90-1 check out Scott's thread!

[marcdelpercio]

Here are the pics of mine from the other thread. I was quite surprised, when I originally posted the thread about this variation, that nobody else mentioned that they had noticed or discussed it before. It's kind of impossible to miss if you look at the cards side by side.

[ullmandds]

Here are mine. Although I just realized the back that corresponds to the common drab version on the left is actually the back of my other e90-1 miller...it's obviously in nicer condition!!!!!

[honus94566]

I have one. I will post a scan of it tomorrow. In the other thread scottfandango mentioned so far not seeing a "shaded reverse border" sunset version. I am kind of confused about that, can anyone clarify?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Scott's well thought out interpretation of the scarcities present in e90-1 spawned discussion regarding the dots miller w/sunset variation. Most...I'd surmise 95% or more of e90-1 millers found are the bland bluer version without the sunset that is present on EVERY OTHER dots miller sharing this pose in EVERY OTHER E, D, T set.

This variation has been discussed before...but only in the recent past. I wonder if this variation was known 20-30 yrs ago? I also wonder if set collectors of this set...TBOB, TONYA, TEDZ, SCOTTF...do you guys have this variation in your set?

Why won't the grading companies recognize it and slab it as such...LAME!!!!!

I don't think are that many of them out there...In fact I think single digits.

So Who has one?

Post em if you got em!

ps...if you want to learn about e90-1 check out Scott's thread!

Pete

As we all know....the multi-ink lithographic process used to print these Candy (and Tobacco) cards of that era applied the RED ink last. Therefore, in my opinion,
the Miller card without the "sunset" is not a true variation. It is simply a printing error of which the printer missed the last pass of RED ink. And, does not warrant
recognition by the grading companies. Sorry, to differ with you.

The lack of the sunset effect on the E90 Miller card is probably found as rarely as the ORANGE T206 red portrait Cobb card. I'm not aware that this Cobb printing
error is recognized as a variation.





My first E90-1 set (sold) had a Miller with the sunset effect. And, my 2nd set (a work in progress) does not yet have a Miller card.


TED Z

[ullmandds]

Ted...you have things backwards? The "with sunset" e90-1 miller is the one that should be a variation...as a tiny % of known examples have the red added. The more common miller w/no sunset should not be considered a variation as this is the norm...not an error at all?

Not sure if I agree with your orange cobb analogy either? Just my opinion?!

[pkaufman]

here's mine

[ullmandds]

nice Paul...the tally is at 3!

[Leon]

Does this count?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Ted...you have things backwards? The "with sunset" e90-1 miller is the one that should be a variation...as a tiny % of known examples have the red added. The more common miller w/no sunset should not be considered a variation as this is the norm...not an error at all?

Not sure if I agree with your orange cobb analogy either? Just my opinion?!

Pete

I stand corrected.....however, my first E90-1 set had a Miller with the sunset variation....and, the E92's and E101's I had also had the sunset effect.

Therefore, I thought the few Miller's I saw missing the redish coloring were the exceptions. So, I guess you have seen many more E90-1 Miller's than
I have.


TED Z

[ScottFandango]

is it possible the sunset is more frequent?

Miller is no common! the card doesn't show up that often in either variation..

Hear Ye Hear Ye.....post ALL your Miller E90s!

[ullmandds]

scott...r u kidding me!!!!!!!! do a google search for e90-1 miller and you will see hardly any w/sunset. Do an ebay search...I have been following them on ebay for over 1 1/2 yrs and not 1 has appeared on fleabay.

The sunset is infinitely(maybe infinitely is a strong word!) scarcer than the non.