Fake 52Topps mantle on Ebay

[25801wv]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...:X:RTQ:US:1123

I once was fooled on a purchase almost exactly like this one. I took the frame apart once I got it & the holder was cracked & a fake Mantle was in it. Luckily Paypal refunded my $$$. I suspect this one is also fake. See the answer below when I asked if he would take pics of the card.



Dear 25801wv,

no, it is framed, not going to break the frame, sorry.

- asw37
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From: 25801wv
To: asw37
Subject: Details about item: 25801wv sent a message about Framed PSA 1 1952 topps #312 Mickey Mantle Rookie Card + PSA DNA Business Card #161052484050
Sent Date: Jul-05-13 12:47:19 PDT


Dear asw37,

Can you add front & back scan of just the 52 Topps Mantle (outside of the frame). Once you do so I will make an offer.

Thank you

[the 'stache]

Ya, that's highly suspicious. I'd need to see pictures of him holding the card, front and back. Who's to say he just grabbed that back pic from the web?

Also, "no returns or exchanges" on a card that could fetch $10k +? Ah, no thank you.

[xcgrammer]

plus he doesn't even know the real number the card is in the set. 312? fail.

[asw37]

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[thecatspajamas]

Why is the PSA slab shattered like that, but the surrounding frame job appears unabashed?

Also, you do realize that by refusing to answer questions and put these concerns to rest, you will wind up costing yourself far more in final bid price than what it would cost to completely redo the framing, right? For every potential bidder who took the time to ask questions, there are a dozen others that take a pass for the same reasons. All those lost bids really do add up.

[asw37]

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[Sean1125]

Everything about this card leads me to believe it is a 100% authentic variation A 1952 Mickey Mantle.

[whitehse]

Originally Posted by asw37

Please dont call my card fake when you have no proof. I have done 2000+ transactions on ebay with no issues. This framed card and business card combo was purchased from a prestigious, well known auction. Because I will not break open a framed piece, the card is now fake? I am all for being open, but you are just a total moron calling me out and falsely calling this fake, simply because I will not cater to you and destroy a nice display piece.

Its funny, I can list any t206 or vintage card in a psa slab, but now my slabbed mantle is being attacked because I will not break a framed product.

Also, Xcgrammer, thanks for the contribution to the conversation, you seem like the type of guy who keeps all of his buddies laughing! I made a typo when listing the number and it has had offers on it since, preventing me from revising.

There are red flags all over your auction starting with no returns. How about a bit more information as to who this prestigious auction house was from where you purchased it. If you are asking someone to pony up nearly 10K for this auction a bit more information and reassurance from you would go a long way to selling this item. Or perhaps as the prestigious auction house to sell it for you again.

[asw37]

Originally Posted by whitehse

There are red flags all over your auction starting with no returns. How about a bit more information as to who this prestigious auction house was from where you purchased it. If you are asking someone to pony up nearly 10K for this auction a bit more information and reassurance from you would go a long way to selling this item. Or perhaps as the prestigious auction house to sell it for you again.

First off, where is this 10,000 price tag coming from? I feel like one idiot attacks and then circus comes out. I am obviosly not going to win arguing here. All I know is that PSA and I both know that this card is real. There are some great collectors and others like the troll who started this thread. I don't know what I am not answering. He asked me to show him the card outside of the frame. I dont realy see a grey area between yes or now where I could accomidate him.

[camlov2]

Originally Posted by asw37

This framed card and business card combo was purchased from a prestigious, well known auction.

wait... I am confused... is ebay the "prestigious, well known auction"?

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by Texxxx

It needs a new mat on the back anyway because of the creases.

Which weren't there when it was sold a couple months back...

[4815162342]

This belongs in the postwar forum.

[atx840]

Waiting at the bank to lock up some cards and read the thread....figured I would snap a photo of Mr Mantle...quite the difference.

[e107collector]

Chris,

That's a great looking card for a "3." Congrats.

I also agree with your statement. After comparing the card in question to your authentic example, the one on ebay appears to be a counterfeit. The coloring is too deep, and the bottom border appears to have been trimmed/handcut.

Tony

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by atx840

Waiting at the bank to lock up some cards and read the thread....figured I would snap a photo of Mr Mantle...quite the difference.

What a beautiful card, Chris!

[Sean]

I'm pretty sure that this is Chris' card that he got from his father, who actually pulled it out of the pack in '52.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Sean

I'm pretty sure that this is Chris' card that he got from his father, who actually pulled it out of the pack in '52.

Originally Posted by atx840

Sean is right, he was 10...gave it to me the day I was born and I did the same with my son. It was a good time to grow up in southern Ontario where the high series where a plenty.

That makes it all the better, then. Outside of being just a gorgeous example of one of the most famous cards ever made, it has a strong sentimental value attached to it.

It just doesn't get any better than that. And it's really cool that you and your son can share your hobby together, Chris.

Thank you for sharing These are the little pearls that make Net 54 special to me. The knowledge here is incredible, of course, but it's the personal stories that make me feel like part of a bigger family.

[atx840]

Thanks guys...it has a very minor horizontal wrinkle mid card.

Sean is right, he was 10...gave it to me the day I was born and I did the same with my son. It was a good time to grow up in southern Ontario where the high series where a plenty.

[EvilKing00]

why do I get the feeling that's a fake PSA holder