Commy Comiskey 1887 Old Judge PSA 2 (MK)

[Zone91]

Nice card (looks better than a 2 I guess the mark makes it a 2) of a well know hall of fame player. I think he was the coach of the team that made the baseball scandal in 1919 and a player before that based on what I have read...correct me if I am wrong.

Please do not worry this will be my ONLY post for today!!!

Link:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/310642180038?...84.m1497.l2649

[AMBST95]

Comiskey owned the White Sox in 1919.

[Zone91]

AMBST95

So he was the owner I guess that makes more sens I imagine he was been super cheap with salaries hence the gambling scandal.

[Sean]

Charles Comiskey was the owner of that team (1919 White Sox). His low pay and insulting treatment of his players contributed greatly to their decision to take bribes to deliberately lose the 1919 World Series.

There was a good movie about them about 25 years ago-Eight Men Out. I'm not sure how factually accurate it is, but it is entertaining and gives a pretty good account of what went on.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Sean

Charles Comiskey was the owner of that team (1919 White Sox). His low pay and insulting treatment of his players contributed greatly to their decision to take bribes to deliberately lose the 1919 World Series.

There was a good movie about them about 25 years ago-Eight Men Out. I'm not sure how factually accurate it is, but it is entertaining and gives a pretty good account of what went on.

Your point about Eight Men Out is well taken. This Shoeless Joe Jackson book is also an amazing read for understanding the dynamics of the scandal and its ramifications. This book really takes the halo off Shoeless Joe's head.

According to the book, Comiskey actively covered up the scandal because he did not want to hurt his attendance. Meanwhile, the players continued throwing games into the 1920 season, either because they were being blackmailed or because they were just looking for some easy money.

http://www.amazon.com/Shoeless-The-L...ss+joe+jackson

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

Your point about Eight Men Out is well taken. This Shoeless Joe Jackson book is also an amazing read for understanding the dynamics of the scandal and its ramifications. This book really takes the halo off Shoeless Joe's head.

According to the book, Comiskey actively covered up the scandal because he did not want to hurt his attendance. Meanwhile, the players continued throwing games into the 1920 season, either because they were being blackmailed or because they were just looking for some easy money.

http://www.amazon.com/Shoeless-The-L...ss+joe+jackson

I read another good book on the scandal about 15 years ago: Shoeless Joe and Ragtime Baseball. The author apologized way too much for Joe's actions, but it included a copy of Joe's grand jury testimony.
Joe was asked by the D.A. whether he hit, fielded, ran the bases, etc. with the intent to win at all times, and each time Joe answered that yes, he did.
About 5 pages later Joe was asked if he took part in a meeting with gamblers in which throwing the Series was discussed. Joe replied that he did. He was asked if he was promised money to throw the Series. Joe said that he was promised $10,000, but that he only received $5000. "We got the screw" was his exact quote.
Jackson appeared to believe he hadn't done anything wrong because, although he took the bribe and conspired to lose, he had actually played to win, making him either really dumb or really naive IMHO.

[Zone91]

Is the Comiskey a popular card in the Old Judge set or just a regular guy?

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Is the Comiskey a popular card in the Old Judge set or just a regular guy?

Are you really asking if a HOFer is the same as a regular guy?

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Sean

I read another good book on the scandal about 15 years ago: Shoeless Joe and Ragtime Baseball. The author apologized way too much for Joe's actions, but it included a copy of Joe's grand jury testimony.
Joe was asked by the D.A. whether he hit, fielded, ran the bases, etc. with the intent to win at all times, and each time Joe answered that yes, he did.
About 5 pages later Joe was asked if he took part in a meeting with gamblers in which throwing the Series was discussed. Joe replied that he did. He was asked if he was promised money to throw the Series. Joe said that he was promised $10,000, but that he only received $5000. "We got the screw" was his exact quote.
Jackson appeared to believe he hadn't done anything wrong because, although he took the bribe and conspired to lose, he had actually played to win, making him either really dumb or really naive IMHO.

I am familiar with the book you mentioned. I have not read it, but that was one of the choices I looked at when I was looking for a Shoeless Joe book. I ultimately went with the book I did because the reviews talked continually about how the David Fleitz book goes down a far different road than Eight Men Out or Field of Dreams in that it doesn't paint Shoeless Joe as a saint or a martyr, but provides a lot more balanced profile of the man's positives and negatives.

One of the points the Fleitz book really drove home was that Shoeless Joe may have been an illiterate country boy, but he definitely understood what money was and was motivated by such a fact. The grand jury testimony of Jackson that susbsequently disappeared always seems very damning. A lot of Shoeless Joe books and movies simply gloss over that fact.

[Zone91]

bn2cardz

Yes because they say he was a so so ball player with a batting average of only .264 and 1530 hits....to me that does not seem like much compared to say a modern player like Derek Jeter with over 3000 hits and a much better bating average. I was just wondering.

[Matthew H]

Comiskey's Old Judge cards don't seem to be as popular as some other HOFers. There seems to be plenty of them available, by OJ standards. I also don't know of any specific Comiskey collectors, although I'm sure they're out there... He doesn't seem to be one of the more popular HOFers to collect, regardless of his contribution to the game. With that being said, the price seemed about right for a faded, not so widely collected player. It was definitely more than I would pay for that particular example.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Nice card (looks better than a 2 I guess the mark makes it a 2) of a well know hall of fame player. I think he was the coach of the team that made the baseball scandal in 1919 and a player before that based on what I have read...correct me if I am wrong.

Please do not worry this will be my ONLY post for today!!!

Link:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/310642180038?...84.m1497.l2649

You may not be Peter Chao, but you do one heck of an impression of him.

[jcmtiger]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

You may not be Peter Chao, but you do one heck of an impression of him.

+1

Joe

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Nice card (looks better than a 2 I guess the mark makes it a 2) of a well know hall of fame player. I think he was the coach of the team that made the baseball scandal in 1919 and a player before that based on what I have read...correct me if I am wrong.

Please do not worry this will be my ONLY post for today!!!

Link:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/310642180038?...84.m1497.l2649

What? Post as often as you want. You're a member here!

Nice card! Nice brother!!

[Zone91]

auggiedoggy

I want to respect the members here so I will try and stick with one topic once every other day (I am a rookie with a LOT of questions and most here are seasoned vets so I will take my time and read a lot before asking question after question).

Thanks looking forward to receiving the Comiskey card...yeah my brother and I are very close and he does stuff like this once and a while because he knows I love collecting and he knows I am trying to get in deep into the older stuff in baseball and it's history he does it to encourage me.

[triwak]

You can learn an awful lot about the great players of the past, from the Hall of Fame website (link below). Especially the member bios. Happy collecting!

http://baseballhall.org/

[Zone91]

triwak

Thanks I saved your link.

[chaddurbin]

is your brother currently reading any baseball books? does he also have any question about baseball cards? maybe he can register here and the members will gladly answer them.

i tell my family the worst thing they can do is buy me baseball cards. there are many "sharks" in the hobby waiting for fresh meat, and i don't want them "getting bent over dry".