wet sheet, scrap, ghost confusion...

[kllrbee]

Okay, what is the difference b/w a wet sheet transfer, printer scrap, or ghost image?
Or are they basically the same thing, just calling them different things?

I ask cuz I have an oppurtunity to get an Ames hands over (SC350) with a ghost image of a pretty significant HOF on back.

School me please!

[steve B]

Printers scrap is pretty much any printed thing that isn't intended to be packed and released and is usually hand cut. Multiple backs, poorly/over inked, horribly out of register, missing colors. Of course, all of the above can end up being cut and packed as normal.

Wet sheet transfer is from a sheet not being dry and transfering to the sheet above or below it. Usually with a bit of help from some weight on the stack of sheets. (Don't lean on a bunch of stuff fresh off the press!)

Ghost images can be wet sheet transfers, and the term is usually reserved for really spectacular ones. They may be from other causes, but it's hard to tell.

If the card is impressive visually (Sounds like it is) and priced right don't worry about which of those it is. And please post a scan if you get it.

Steve B

[T206.org]

Originally Posted by steve B

If the card is impressive visually (Sounds like it is) and priced right don't worry about which of those it is. And please post a scan if you get it.

+1

[drc]

Printer's scraps were sheets that were printed wrong-- off colors, missing colors, mistakes, backs miscut, double print, bad color alignment, other. Scrap sheets were literally or figuratively tossed by the printers into the trash bin, where someone retrieved them and hand cut the cards for their own fun/use. For example, a worker might have brought home a sheet for the kiddie. Thus scaps are usually handcut and often have noticeable printing deficiences about them. A ghost or wet sheet could be one of the errors sometimes.

Though wet sheet transfers or ghosts often to usually appear on issued cards too. In these cases, the cards look otherwise fine and have factory cuts.

In short, ghosts are wet sheet transfers, and whether or not a ghost card is a scrap or an final/issued card is usually determined by the cut-- factory versus handcut.

Also, you will often hear the phrase "probably a scrap." Meaning it's most likely a scrap-- a fair guess. Usually applied to a rough card with printing issues. Being a scrap, aka a factory reject, isn't something to brag about or bring in big $$ premium, so it's not like claiming at auction "probably a proof" or "probably one-of-one" or "probably from the Honus Wagner estate." A dishonest seller looking for your money would make up that it's a proof not a scrap-- unless it's a horrible ugly terrible home computer printer baked in the toaster forgery that can only be reasonably explained as being horrible factory mistake. "Of course it looks little like a real Honus Wagner-- it's a scap. Scraps always look different. Don't you know your printing history?"

[kllrbee]

Alright guys, thanks for the help.
I have been enlightened! LOL.

Anyways, here is the scan of the card. Its the best I could get, Im wating for more from the seller.

Tell me what you think....

Why isnt the image reversed?

[Jantz]

And some cards display mutiple distinctions.

An employee of SGC coined this card the "double whammy".

Ghost image and hand-cut/scrap.

I have to give a shout out to Chris and Kristin of Buckler's Cards for the purchase. Very nice people to deal with.

Kllrbee - Interesting card! Who is the player on the front of the card? There is another T206 similiar to yours except that the image on the back is reversed.


Jantz

[T206.org]

Originally Posted by kllrbee

Anyways, here is the scan of the card. Its the best I could get, Im wating for more from the seller.

Tell me what you think...

I'd want to see that with at least an "A" grade before I put any money down. I'd request that of the seller.

[atx840]

It does not appear to be an overprint/underprint but a wet transfer. That being said the transfer is not reversed as you normally would expect. Hopefully better images will be provided and the experts (MRVSTER & others) can give their input.