SGC/PSA grading of undersized cards

[bunst]

I'm long time collector of raw cards and am sending some T206's to SGC for grading. A couple of cards that I want to send are slightly undersized (1/16") and I'm quite confident they are not trimmed. Will SGC or PSA automatically reject them for a numerical grade because they are too small even though untrimmed? I'm a newbie in regards to third party grading. Thanks

[53Browns]

I dont know about that but I can tell you SGC will at least put them in a holder that secures them. I have had both over and undersized cards submitted to PSA and when they came back they actually float around in there. If anyone tells you that cant hurt a card they are full of crap. It tore a small piece of a corner off of a 32 Sanella Ruth I had. I'd go with SGC if it doesnt fit the cookie pattern of the average card.

[bbcard1]

I think you are a lot more likely to get rejected it you are a small or first time submitter than someone who has a track record of submitting with the company.

[steve B]

If it's under the minimum size SGC will either slab it as an "A" or return it with a slip indicating that it was under minimum size. I have mine returned unslabbed since the "A" grade includes a lot of stuff - Undersize, trimmed, altered, miscut.....I've only sent in as specials, I'm not sure if they'd grade an undersize but not trimmed card as a card requiring a custom insert.
For over size examples they'll adjust the insert to fit, at least that's how they said they'd handle it a couple years ago when I dropped mt first few off at the shriners show.

I've never done PSA, so I don't know how they do it. Way back, I asked about cards that weren't consistent like 81 Donruss (Which should give you an idea how long ago that was) And they said they wouldn't grade undersize, and couldn't grade oversize since they wouldn't fit the holder. I think on oversize they use a plastic sleeve inside a larger holder now. Back then, it was just 2 size holders.

Steve B

[tbob]

I think the chances are almost 100% that SGC will grade a card Authentic if it is shorter than the standard listed size. I don't think the fact that a card is factory miscut will keep it from winding up slabbed Authentic. That's just been my experience.

[bunst]

Here is one of the cards. Actually it measures less than 1/16" short; closer to 1/32" Would be too bad if all I can get is "Authentic"
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[npa589]

Looking at it, I think it has been trimmed. The only reason I say that is because it looks as though on the bottom and the right side, there is a very very slight slant to the card. On the top and left sides, there is no slant. Therefore, the slant isn't because of centering issues.

Then again, I'm no expert.

[npa589]

I have a Joe Tinker hands on knees that I bought that is graded "A". It is not undersized at all, and is actually more full than other cards. The centering is phenomenal as well. PSA claims that it has been altered. If it wasn't actually altered, than it's an at least a 7, and maybe an 8. When I get home, I'll post a scan since, like bunst, I need some advice as well. I have stared at the card repeatedly, compared it, and don't see where it has been altered. The only thing I can think of is that it was whitened, but even that would be subject to interpretation. If it is a 7 or an 8, it hasn't been touched or held much over 100 years, so the color would be brighter.

Has anyone had success breaking a "A" open, resubmitting, and getting a grade back?

[E93]

I think that Joss card is trimmed along the bottom edge. Both it has a wave to it (left side bigger than right) and from the scan it looks sharper (no natural roll that the other three sides have). Just my opinion. It is hard to tell for sure from scans. Good luck.
JimB

[npa589]

Deemed A, most likely it is, just wanted to get some opinions from you guys on here.