Would you neg the seller?

[Kawika]

Shown is the seller's scan. Now that I look at it there is a faint trace of a crease to be seen. Description in its entirety: "John McGraw "You're a Knocker" image post card" followed by boilerplate asserting his impeccable reputation and accompanying b.s. No returns accepted.



This is the postcard I received. Well lookie here! Packed tightly between two pieces of cardboard that showed no creasing, bending, nothing - i.e., the card was not damaged in transit.



Do I neg the guy straightaway? An egregious bit of fraud on his part I would say, and isn't the whole point of feedback to keep the system honest? Or, do I be Mr. Nice Guy, email him politely as to the fact that he has given the appearance of being ever-so-slightly-less-than-impeccable, send him back the card and await a refund?

I don't like negging sellers. Have done so on only three occasions in over 2500 eBay transactions since 2001. I am plenty pissed off about this but thought I would count to ten and maybe accept the counsel of the wise galoots of Net54.

[nebboy]

even know (No returns accepted) talk to the guy and show him what your showing us. Give him the chance to do the right things. You can always go the other route later.

[joeadcock]

David

My first inclination is always a negative feedback, in my mind. This same incident has happened to me(because I've bought so much from ebay) since 2003.
However, after thinking about it more, I think about "Judge not, that you be not judged". In other words, I would email him first and as ask that he rectify what is wrong. There maybe a reasonable explanation.
That is how I would handle it, as I have in the past. The result has not always been pleasant.
I no longer jump as I used to. Even here on the board, in past, I made a mistake when I misinterpreted what an answer to a question of mine was. I apologized because I totally misinterpreted what he meant.

If your not given satisfactory answer, then I would go ahead and do what you feel you have to.

Thanks for letting me give my opinion.

Frank

[quinnsryche]

I would try to work it out with the seller first. If you neg him right off the bat you probably will get nowhere fast. Take a deep breath and give him a chance to make good before you give him a beat down.

[Ladder7]

Give a warning and ultimatum. Then, if still not satisfied:

This seller's mede extra cake through deception. Christmas is over... Neg him. Then retract the feedback in a few days -after he does ya proper of course.

As an added bonus., You will likely be blocked from his later sales!

[tiger8mush]

At least the "John McGraw Image PC $85" white circle sticker wasn't attached when u received the card

Anytime there is little/no description followed by "no returns", you have to be suspicious as a buyer.

If you want to keep the PC, then one idea is to leave neutral feedback with a very low "item description" score and a few words about his deceiving scans. If you want to return it, send him an email and see where it gets you. If he won't budge and doesn't see anything wrong with his deceiving scan, then maybe neg him and give low scores across the board.

Good luck, David!

Rob

[glchen]

I've had similar things happen to me before. What I've done is message the seller, and tell him that I'm very unhappy with the card because of so and so. Usually the seller will reply and say that he didn't realize that and will ask what needs to be done to make it right. Then I would usually give what I believe is a fair price for what should have been the card, and the seller would refund me the difference. If the seller doesn't respond or is hostile after you message him, I would neg him and give him low DSRs across the board.

[danmckee]

I see the crease in his scan though your scan is much better. That is a cool postcard. I may buy you out of this deal if you like.

I don't see where the seller did anything wrong. Write him and tell him you didn't see the crease and if he says no return, then blast him.

I would have sold that exactly as he did, pictured and with less description.

Difference is I take returns.

Write me and let me know if you want out of the deal

dan

[Kawika]

Thanks everyone for your responses. The consensus is clear that I should give the seller the opportunity to explain himself and to rectify things to a reasonable extent. I do want to keep the card even though it has an ugly crease right down the middle that I didn't know was there (and, dude, I shouldn't have to ask, I'm not some dumbshit newbie, the seller is supposed to disclose stuff like that) - only have seen one other and that was posted on this Board recently - but don't want to feel I had a fast one pulled on me. I will refrain from a kneejerk negative feedback and contact the seller, and will report back to the Board when there's more to say.

Apologies for chop suey syntax.

[JLange]

Its so frustrating to get a card in the mail that you really want, only to find it damaged! My first thought is always, "I want the CARD, not my money back!" but then I realize its not what I wanted/expected. Before you neg him, I would correspond with this person and tell him what you want. Give him some options that you would find acceptable given the facts. You can a) send back for a full refund; b) accept a price adjustment for the lower grade; c) exchange the card for something else in his inventory. Be creative, but only offer a remedy that would make you feel (close to) whole and that won't still piss you off if he accepts one of the remedies. Only after I have exhausted all of these or similar approaches with no honest attempt on the other's part to satisfy me as a customer, would I neg somebody. Good luck!

[cfc1909]

I have only left 1 neg the entire time on ebay and that was when I could not get the seller to respond to me. I always give the seller a chance to do the right thing and they have except once-and as Dan says -blast them negatively.

[novakjr]

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[novakjr]

Hi, from a little research, I found this page. And it claims that the drawing on the postcard is actually Willie Keeler.

http://www.vintageball.com/PlayerPostcards.html

[ubiqty]

In a similar experience, I won a raw Luther Taylor Rotograph (portrait) card in an auction about 2 years ago. I paid alot for it based on the apparent VG-EX condition. When I sent it in to be encapsulated by SGC, it came back as altered due to color added. I was also disappointed like you were. I contacted the auction house and let them know what happened. At first they said they would contact the seller to see if he would do anything to make it right. After about 2 weeks of no response and a few non-returned calls, I finally reached someone at the auction house who said, "The owner isn't willing to offer any type of discount off of the price you paid and neither are we, but if you want to return the card, we'll refund your money." Since I had been waiting for one of these for a while, I just decided to keep it. Fortunately, I haven't seen one since and I'm glad I have one even though the deal left a bad taste. That sounds like how it will end up for you too.

Scott.