Need a little help...

[tlwise12]

I've been looking for Satchel Paige items and a few that keep coming up are pencil clips-

One issued by the Cleveland Indians
http://www.hakes.com/item.asp?Auction=191&Lot=717

One issued by the St. Louis Browns
http://cgi.ebay.com/Satchel-Paige-Pe...item3cac313802

The Cleveland Indians issues are listed in the book, but the St. Louis Browns one is not. So, I talked to one collector and he told me he isnt sure where or how they come about but they have been around for about 20-30 years.

Are the St. Louis Browns clips fakes or some modern fantasy issue??? If they are authentic-How do you tell fakes from the real thing???

On the Cleveland issues-How do you spot fakes from the real thing???

Travis
tlwise12@aol.com

[barrysloate]

The majority of the Paige pencil clips in the hobby are modern reproductions. We had a thread about them last month on the memorabilia side. I don't know if there are any diagnostic marks that would help you determine if one was real or not.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

The majority of the Paige pencil clips in the hobby are modern reproductions. We had a thread about them last month on the memorabilia side. I don't know if there are any diagnostic marks that would help you determine if one was real or not.

Actually, the majority of Browns Paige clips are reproductions. I've never seen a repro of an Indians Paige clip (or any Indians clip, for that matter).

[barrysloate]

Rob- I once bought a Cleveland Satchell Paige pencil clip, as well as some Paige buttons, from an antique store and later found out they were modern fakes. I'm pretty sure it was Cleveland and not St. Louis...but it was about 20+ years ago so I may be wrong.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Rob- I once bought a Cleveland Satchell Paige pencil clip, as well as some Paige buttons, from an antique store and later found out they were modern fakes. I'm pretty sure it was Cleveland and not St. Louis...

I'd be very surprised if that were the case.

[barrysloate]

Then I am remembering them wrong. I know I bought many pencil clips, and a Satchell Paige Cleveland button, and they were all modern repros. Maybe the clip was a Browns clip....too many years ago, I guess.

[fkw]

Ive always thought they were vintage to the early 50's. I owned a couple of the St.L Browns ones in the early 80's, and they had rust and age back then. I just searched and the ones that normally pop up have a smaller image that what I remember.

I believe these are the original vintage ones larger (larger image)
http://www.barkermuseum.com/MuseumLi...21&SRT=1&SRWD=

I believe the fakes from the 80's look like this (smaller image)
http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=4339758


The ones that are ALL fake for sure are the Cobb, Ruth, Wagner etc. ones.

[GaryS]

I know this is an old thread, but I collect Cleveland Indian pencil clips. If anyone has any for sale let me know.
I'd also be interested in any vintage St. Louis Browns pencil clips.