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M114 - Red Schoendienst
I am trying to determine if the below M114 Supplement of Red Schoendienst was the one that was originally issued in 1945 or the one that was issued several years later in the 1950's? Any help is greatly appreciated.
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I do not have a Schoendienst M114. I've seen both at the same time, but it was a dozen years ago or so. That certainly looks like it would be a younger, earlier image of Red. He still looks to be a kid in that one. I'm pretty sure that one is from the 40s. Nice! In the back of my mind the later one shows him fielding, but I might be mixing that image with something else...
Last edited by FrankWakefield; 07-01-2009 at 08:25 AM. |
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M114 - Red Schoendienst
St Louis Cardinals cards (and pix) that I have from the mid-1940's do not have the "Stars and Stripes" banner on the player's sleeve.
I think that this banner appears on their sleeve in the late 1940's. But, I'll defer to Frank Wakefield, as he is our Cardinals expert here. Incidently, every Summer when I am at Cooperstown on HOF weekend, I run into Red. A real fine gentleman, and at age 85, he looks very good. I look forward to seeing him in 3 weeks in Cooperstown. TED Z |
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I've just looked through my M114s...
None of the Cardinal players that I have show the shield with the stripes and stars. That doesn't show on the 1946 Cardinals Champions, nor on Brecheen, Collins, Fournier, Hopp, Kurowski (although I can't see his left sleeve), Marion (can't see sleeve), Moore, Munger (can't see sleeve), Musial 1943, O'Farrell, Pollett, nor Thevenow. I do have 2 Dick Wakefield M114s, he's in that Tigers uniform following through on a swing, and big on his left sleeve is that shield with stripes and stars. SCD attributes Wakefield's M114 to 1943, which may be about right. I'm thinking this symbol was on sleeves in 1943 through 1945. Red's first major league game was April 17, 1945. I concede that a 1945 photo of him could have been used for a 1952 M114. But it seems more likely that BM would have used a 1945 photo for his 1945 M114. Those houses make me think of the restricted travel during WW II, and maybe the Cardinals were doing spring training closer to St. Louis, instead of down in Florida. (Somewhere I have a book that would tell me where they had spring training in 1945.) I still think that M114 is Red's 1945 issue, not the one SCD attributes to 1952. I'll post a scan of the Wakefield M114. |
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Dick Wakefield's M114, attributed to 1943 by SCD. He just barely wouldn't fit on my scanner...
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Frank:
Thank you for all of your insight. I just looked up the uniform on the Hall of Fame's "Dressed to the Nines" website and it shows the patch during 1943 & 1944 so this M114 must have been the 1945 version. |
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