Most overrated pre-war card?

[Sean]

Tom Reed started a thread on the post-war side that asks for the most overrated card (most people voted for the 1952 Mantle). I liked the question, so I'm asking the pre-war guys: what's the most overrated pre-war card?

My answer is the T206 MAGIE. It is essentially a typo. The player isn't famous and his card is plentiful. But the error somehow makes the card more valuable than cards for C. Young, Speaker, Mathewson, W.Johnson, or even Cobb (unless one of those cards also features a rare back).

I know that the MAGIE is rare, but so are other cards that don't sell for nearly as much. So I guess my point is: if this error card was in a set other than T206, would it be an iconic card? That's why I consider it overrated.

So what do you guys think? What other pre-war cards do you think are overrated?

[4815162342]

Any T206, but especially the Wagner.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Scraps and freaks.

[packs]

Strictly speaking about value ratio to subject, I think the Ten Million Obak is really overrated. Don't get me wrong though. I want one.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by packs

Strictly speaking about value ratio to subject, I think the Ten Million Obak is really overrated. Don't get me wrong though. I want one.

true true...but I don't want one!!!

[bbcard1]

I think a lot of the Buck Weaver issues are priced very strong considering. He was a good infielder with an interesting backstory, but seems like a lot of pay for his cards considering.

[ullmandds]

It would have to be the t206 wagner.

[cammb]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Scraps and freaks.

+1

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by Sean

Tom R. started a thread on the post-war side that asks for the most overrated card (most people voted for the 1952 Mantle). I liked the question, so I'm asking the pre-war guys: what's the most overrated pre-war card?

My answer is the T206 MAGIE. It is essentially a typo. The player isn't famous and his card is plentiful. But the error somehow makes the card more valuable than cards for C. Young, Speaker, Mathewson, W.Johnson, or even Cobb (unless one of those cards also features a rare back).

I know that the MAGIE is rare, but so are other cards that don't sell for nearly as much. So I guess my point is: if this error card was in a set other than T206, would it be an iconic card? That's why I consider it overrated.

So what do you guys think? What other pre-war cards do you think are overrated?

Magee may not be famous but he does deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. If that injustice were ever corrected it would actually make the card underrated.

Tom C

[clydepepper]

Most overrated are most pitchers' rookie cards...they generally don't hold as much value over extended time as sluggers do.

Most overpriced is the 1952 Topps Mantle - which is so high, I don't see ever being able to afford it.

An earlier post made it clear that they did not think he was one of the best players of all-time...well, IMHO, that depends on how long your list is.

There is NO DOUBT, however, that Mickey Mantle is the most important player in the hobby!

[lug-nut]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Most overrated are most pitchers' rookie cards...they generally don't hold as much value over extended time as sluggers do.

Most overpriced is the 1952 Topps Mantle - which is so high, I don't see ever being able to afford it.

An earlier post made it clear that they did not think he was one of the best players of all-time...well, IMHO, that depends on how long your list is.

There is NO DOUBT, however, that Mickey Mantle is the most important player in the hobby!

SPECIFICALLY: "There is NO DOUBT, however, that Mickey Mantle is the most important player in the hobby!"

Very much arguable and not sure how you come to that conclusion. are you talking about the 52 mantle card or mantle as a player? card, probably... player, nope.com

[1963Topps Set]

I feel Jackie Robinson is the most important player in the "hobby" and in baseball.

Mickey Mantle can go down as the player with the most potential who didn't really live up to it.

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by 1963Topps Set

I feel Jackie Robinson is the most important player in the "hobby" and in baseball.

Mickey Mantle can go down as the player with the most potential who didn't really live up to it.

20× All-Star (1952–1965, 1967, 1968)
7× World Series champion (1951–1953, 1956, 1958, 1961, 1962)
3× AL MVP (1956, 1957, 1962)
Triple Crown (1956)
Gold Glove Award (1962)
AL batting champion (1956)
4× AL home run champion (1955, 1956, 1958, 1960)
AL RBI champion (1956)
New York Yankees #7 retired
Major League Baseball All-Century Team

How's that for potential? I have read that before and think its a bunch of baloney. How many players would give a right arm to even come close to what Mickey accomplished? He played hurt, he played hard, he did cool stuff.

peace, mike

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by 1963Topps Set

I feel Jackie Robinson is the most important player in the "hobby" and in baseball.

Mickey Mantle can go down as the player with the most potential who didn't really live up to it.

just wondering why you feel this way

[tennisguy]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

Magee may not be famous but he does deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. If that injustice were ever corrected it would actually make the card underrated.

Tom C

Tom you hit the nail on the head. I have been saying for years Magee should be in!

[obcbobd]

Anything Black Sox related

Throw a World Series, have a movie made about you and your cards sky-rocket in value

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Wagner


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[ethicsprof]

T206 Titus

best,
barry

[oldjudge]

M101-4/5 Ruth. One of the most common Ruth cards, especially the undesirable blank back versions.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

M101-4/5 Ruth. One of the most common Ruth cards, especially the undesirable blank back versions.

This is the one I'd pick. It was just another Ruth until people hyped it as a rookie card.

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

M101-4/5 Ruth. One of the most common Ruth cards, especially the undesirable blank back versions.

Originally Posted by rats60

This is the one I'd pick. It was just another Ruth until people hyped it as a rookie card.

Gold was just another rock in the ground until someone "hyped it."

It's Ruth's first card in a major league uniform and thus his rookie card.

Also, no matter the overall population reports, when a collector tries to find a nice one, he sees how tough it is. Most have serious eye appeal problems.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

M101-4/5 Ruth. One of the most common Ruth cards, especially the undesirable blank back versions.

Ruth Rookie Overrated? Not even close. Let's use the T206 Wagner to squash that theory. Simply stated, there are currently 60-70 known examples (approx. 45+ graded) of the T206 Wagner. The Ruth Rookie including all backs currently has nearly 110 encapsulated copies (with MANY crossovers I might add), and an estimated 200 - 250 existing specimens (including raw examples). Therefore, it certainly appears the quantity of Ruth rookie cards is 4x higher than the T206 Wagner. Now pricing. A nice "VG/3" Wagner sold for nearly $1.3M two years ago (with beater "1's" now achieving $400K!), and a well-centered "VG/3" Ruth rookie fetches approximately $60K, give or take $5K. So this "so-called" overhyped card that represents baseball's unquestionable greatest player ever as well as one of the most iconic AMERICAN heroes currently achieves price tags that are a microscopic like 5% of the T206 Wagner, with the number of T206 Wagner's tallying to approx. 25% of the Ruth Rookie count!

I've never heard of anyone questioning the iconic stature of a T206 Wagner. Considering Babe Ruth ultimately towers above Wagner in overall prestige, I would safely say that the current pricing points for a Ruth Rookie card still have a long way to go before they achieve their due justice, justifying why the Ruth Rookie still stands as an UNDERRATED card in terms of value.

JoeT.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

Ruth Rookie Overrated? Not even close. Let's use the T206 Wagner to squash that theory. Simply stated, there are currently 60-70 known examples (approx. 45+ graded) of the T206 Wagner. The Ruth Rookie including all backs currently has nearly 110 encapsulated copies (with MANY crossovers I might add), and an estimated 200 - 250 existing specimens (including raw examples). Therefore, it certainly appears the quantity of Ruth rookie cards is 4x higher than the T206 Wagner. Now pricing. A nice "VG/3" Wagner sold for nearly $1.3M two years ago (with beater "1's" now achieving $400K!), and a well-centered "VG/3" Ruth rookie fetches approximately $60K, give or take $5K. So this "so-called" overhyped card that represents baseball's unquestionable greatest player ever as well as one of the most iconic AMERICAN heroes currently achieves price tags that are a microscopic like 5% of the T206 Wagner, with the number of T206 Wagner's tallying to approx. 25% of the Ruth Rookie count!

I've never heard of anyone questioning the iconic stature of a T206 Wagner. Considering Babe Ruth ultimately towers above Wagner in overall prestige, I would safely say that the current pricing points for a Ruth Rookie card still have a long way to go before they achieve their due justice, justifying why the Ruth Rookie still stands as an UNDERRATED card in terms of value.

JoeT.

Joe, when you are talking about cards with a population that close to zero, everything else being equal, there is an exponential decrease in value for larger population cards. You could counter with the Mino Wagners, but then you run into things like 'set popularity', mystique, story value (Gretzky, trimming, etc.), so all things would not be equal. Still, the T206 Wagner is fairly scarce as HOF'er cards go and is the rarest in the most popular pre-war set.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

Ruth Rookie Overrated? Not even close. Let's use the T206 Wagner to squash that theory. Simply stated, there are currently 60-70 known examples (approx. 45+ graded) of the T206 Wagner. The Ruth Rookie including all backs currently has nearly 110 encapsulated copies (with MANY crossovers I might add), and an estimated 200 - 250 existing specimens (including raw examples). Therefore, it certainly appears the quantity of Ruth rookie cards is 4x higher than the T206 Wagner. Now pricing. A nice "VG/3" Wagner sold for nearly $1.3M two years ago (with beater "1's" now achieving $400K!), and a well-centered "VG/3" Ruth rookie fetches approximately $60K, give or take $5K. So this "so-called" overhyped card that represents baseball's unquestionable greatest player ever as well as one of the most iconic AMERICAN heroes currently achieves price tags that are a microscopic like 5% of the T206 Wagner, with the number of T206 Wagner's tallying to approx. 25% of the Ruth Rookie count!

I've never heard of anyone questioning the iconic stature of a T206 Wagner. Considering Babe Ruth ultimately towers above Wagner in overall prestige, I would safely say that the current pricing points for a Ruth Rookie card still have a long way to go before they achieve their due justice, justifying why the Ruth Rookie still stands as an UNDERRATED card in terms of value.

JoeT.

The T206 Wagner is the key card in the most important baseball set made. The "Ruth rookie" is from an obscure set that is lightly collected. There is no reason for it to carry a premium over other Ruth cards and it didn't for a long time. The Wagner has been the holy grail since people started collecting baseball cards. The Ruth "rookie" hype is even more recent than the irrational rookie card craze of the 80's-90's.

[familytoad]

Goudey 1933 Bengough is well over-rated.

1940 play ball high numbers of long retired HoFers .

T206 Titus
T206 Shag

T201 Dougherty/Lord

Some 1914 CJ are riding the wave now, but they are pretty great cards so I'm not ready to call them over-rated , really.

Underrated= All T3 and T202.

[sporteq]

T206 & 1933 Goudey cards ample amount available.. I don't see that attraction when they can be easily obtained.

Albert

[Jeffrompa]

I also never got the big deal over the Sanella Ruth but maybe someone can explain that one to me .

[Steve D]

Any Denton (Cy) Young card that pictures Irv Young instead of Denton Young.


Steve

[rainier2004]

1933 Goudey LaJoie...just as common as a '34 high number but 50xs the value and stops me from ever trying the set even as iconic and important as it is...

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by Sean

Tom Reed started a thread on the post-war side that asks for the most overrated card (most people voted for the 1952 Mantle). I liked the question, so I'm asking the pre-war guys: what's the most overrated pre-war card?

My answer is the T206 MAGIE. It is essentially a typo. The player isn't famous and his card is plentiful. But the error somehow makes the card more valuable than cards for C. Young, Speaker, Mathewson, W.Johnson, or even Cobb (unless one of those cards also features a rare back).

I know that the MAGIE is rare, but so are other cards that don't sell for nearly as much. So I guess my point is: if this error card was in a set other than T206, would it be an iconic card? That's why I consider it overrated.

So what do you guys think? What other pre-war cards do you think are overrated?

Actually, in that post war thread, the most votes were for the Pafko and for high graded cards, but there was no clear consensus. Rookie cards were also brought up, as was the Herrer and the George Bush card.

I couldn't disagree more with anyone saying that Ruth or Mantle, as players or their collectibles, are "overrated." That term in itself is also a slippery one-- overrated. How is it being defined, exactly?

Ruth is a legend. Mantle was a hero and icon to so many. True, Mantle could have even been so much more if not for his character flaws. But the admission of those flaws as an older man endeared him to so many people, and that is an intangible that goes beyond mere statistics. On a bum knee and hungover, at the very end in 1967, the man still posted a .391 OBP while batting only .245. That was the man at his worst. As to his peak-- few who played the game had one higher.

Ruth and Mantle performed on the game's biggest stage and delivered thrills to millions. There is just no debating this. The demand for their cards will always be great, no matter the pop reports. Those two names will always be among the very top in the baseball card collecting world. And finding eye appealing examples of their cards makes the collectors' hunt even more challenging.

[conor912]

The entire t206 set.

[edjs]

Everyone here has been dead on in their stated opinions of over rated cards. So if any of you have those cards, you should send them to me free of charge, I will take the hit and keep all these over rated cards for you. . I know, I'm being a martyr here, but I am just that kinda guy! Anything to help you guys out.

[atx840]

Originally Posted by conor912

The entire t206 set.

[Runscott]

Conor, you're killing me!

See you in the Spring.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Heresy perhaps but I have never been a fan of the Baltimore News Ruth in terms of the value it commands. Or the T210 Jackson, for similar reasons. Also the E90-1 Jackson is just plain ugly.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Conor, you're killing me!

See you in the Spring.

Sorry guys, but yeah....purely based on aesthetics, I wouldn't even put that set in my top 10. What baffles me even more are the guys who only collect that set. That's like only sex with the same woman for the rest of your li...oh wait.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by conor912

The entire t206 set.

agree - I just don't see the beauty and they are a lot of them.

[BicycleSpokes]

I started collecting cards as a kid in 1986. Rookie craze was already well under way...

IMO "rookie" card designation should be irrelevant to pre war issues. Things were not so organized back then!

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