I Will Never Understand This.

t206hof · #1 10-17-2010, 02:18 PM

I collect T-206's.Why is it that many sellers on E-bay both Small and Larger volume sellers refuse to put a pic of the backs of cards. Is it because they do not want to spend the extra .15 cents? That's the way I see it, what are some other opinions. To me if you do not include a scan of the back of a card you are cutting you own throat. Sorry for venting but this irratates me and most times will keep me from bidding. Thanks Dennis.

mintacular · #2 10-17-2010, 02:22 PM

I think a lot of the more inexperienced sellers do not understand the added significance "backs" have to pre-war collectors....If you think about it, most postwar cards for sale do not include a pic of the backs...

(BTW-- they should be able to add a 2nd picture for free if they just cut/paste from photobucket into the text...)

rdixon1208 · #3 10-17-2010, 02:38 PM

Even worse....some sellers don't even mention the back in the listing. My set is very "back conscious", so these listings a really annoying to me.

Matt · #4 10-17-2010, 02:47 PM

I don't think it's the cost - when you're scanning in 100 T206s, scanning backs of all of them, keeping straight which back goes with which front and uploading the correct f/b pairs takes a lot more time then just scanning fronts which have the identification in the scan itself. For cards that are worth $20 or $30 it might not be worth the time.

bbsports · #5 10-17-2010, 03:18 PM

Now e-bay does not charge for additional scans, but at one time they did. As an e-bay seller of tobacco cards for 8 years, part of the reason is also because some of the backs do not look as nice as the front of the cards do. Therefore some sellers feel it's going to hurt the sale of the card.

lharri3600 · #6 10-17-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bbsports

Now e-bay does not charge for additional scans, but at one time they did. As an e-bay seller of tobacco cards for 8 years, part of the reason is also because some of the backs do not look as nice as the front of the cards do. Therefore some sellers feel it's going to hurt the sale of the card.

i agree

Robextend · #7 10-17-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rdixon1208

Even worse....some sellers don't even mention the back in the listing. My set is very "back conscious", so these listings a really annoying to me.

+1

White Borders · #8 10-17-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Robextend

+1

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Phillies*phan · #9 10-17-2010, 05:29 PM

I think worse than no back scan is when most sellers don't even give you any idea if the card has light wrinkles that the scan might not show. They just say " I'm not an expert grader, so just see scan for details" and the scan looks like it was taken from the moon.

lharri3600 · #10 10-17-2010, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by t206hof

I collect T-206's.Why is it that many sellers on E-bay both Small and Larger volume sellers refuse to put a pic of the backs of cards. Is it because they do not want to spend the extra .15 cents? That's the way I see it, what are some other opinions. To me if you do not include a scan of the back of a card you are cutting you own throat. Sorry for venting but this irratates me and most times will keep me from bidding. Thanks Dennis.

all pics are free i think. i always add the backs, it's only right for potentail buyers to see the front and back. it is what it is!!

just my $.02

vintagetoppsguy · #11 10-18-2010, 11:40 AM

I don't sell on eBay nearly as much as I used to - maybe 10-15 items every couple of months. If I am selling raw cards, I always try to include a scan of the back. However, if I am selling graded cards, I never include a scan of the back (unless it's just a really high dollar card). It wasn’t specified, but I'll address the question as if we're discussing graded cards.

In my opinion, if the card is graded, the grade should speak for itself and a scan of the back should not be necessary. I know some will disagree with that statement based on the fact that cards within the same grade are sometimes not consistent, but again that is just my opinion. Also, my statement is based as if the back of the card has no defects. If the back does have defects, then obviously a scan of the back should be included (or at least mentioned it in the description).

For me, I just don't have the time to scan both front and back. Besides, I really don't think having a scan of the back is going to increase the final value on the average card. For example, if I am selling a T206 common that has a VCP of $50, I know the final value will be somewhere in that ballpark regardless whether I include a scan of the back or not. I realize that I may be losing some bidders by not including a scan of the back, but to me it’s not worth the extra time it takes knowing that the card is still going to sell for VCP average either way.

tbob · #12 10-18-2010, 12:32 PM

I may be wrong but the last time I listed cards on ebay, the front scan was free and the back was 15 cents. A small price to pay for customer satisfaction but I guess big time sellers don't want the aggravation of having to make all those additional scans. Even worse are the ones who post "generic" scans of cards and then add their grades based on their opinions of the card which you never see! You see this a lot in the 1950's cards. I refuse to buy anything from these guys.
My biggest gripe is those who put slabbed cards on ebay and don't put a back scan up. An SGC 30 or 20 or PSA 2 or 1 might have a great front but a horrible back. With the inconsistent grading based on whether a particular company severely downgrades for back damage or not, it's maddening. You need a backscan.

t206hof · #13 10-18-2010, 01:38 PM

All good points made and I appreciate them all. Maybe I am just a little hard headed but I will stick with my guns and say ALL cards listed on E-bay or any where else for that matter For Sale should have a scan of both front and back whether graded or not. If you do not want to put up both sides of the card either have a link where they can go in and take a look at the card back. If you choose not to do this then you are leaving money on the table, and I for one will not do that. Thanks again for all the feedback. I realize there are some very knowledgeable people on this forum. Dennis.

teetwoohsix · #14 10-20-2010, 12:55 PM

Here is an example of why I feel back scans are important even on graded cards. This Bud Sharpe T206 has an SGC 50 grade. Now, if I only went off of the front of the card, I'd say "ok, way more bottom border than top, but not bad".............but then you look at the back- pretty heavy staining. Would you be ok with that? Or feel that for a 50 you should not have this type of staining?

This card was in a GAI holder with a grade of V/G 3,,,,,,crossed over to SGC 50. Don't get me wrong, I was suprised and very happy it got even a better grade,,,,,,but if I was buying sight unseen based on only the grade given, I don't think I'd be too thrilled with the staining on the back. Just my 2 cents....

E93 · #15 10-21-2010, 12:02 AM

Lucky PSA did not grade this card a 4.

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Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

Here is an example of why I feel back scans are important even on graded cards. This Bud Sharpe T206 has an SGC 50 grade. Now, if I only went off of the front of the card, I'd say "ok, way more bottom border than top, but not bad".............but then you look at the back- pretty heavy staining. Would you be ok with that? Or feel that for a 50 you should not have this type of staining?

This card was in a GAI holder with a grade of V/G 3,,,,,,crossed over to SGC 50. Don't get me wrong, I was suprised and very happy it got even a better grade,,,,,,but if I was buying sight unseen based on only the grade given, I don't think I'd be too thrilled with the staining on the back. Just my 2 cents....

toppcat · #16 10-21-2010, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by t206hof

I collect T-206's.Why is it that many sellers on E-bay both Small and Larger volume sellers refuse to put a pic of the backs of cards. Is it because they do not want to spend the extra .15 cents? That's the way I see it, what are some other opinions. To me if you do not include a scan of the back of a card you are cutting you own throat. Sorry for venting but this irratates me and most times will keep me from bidding. Thanks Dennis.

Could not agree more!