What is a scrap? Please explain.

[Buythatcard]

I hear a lot of talk about scraps especially in the last few days. But just what is a scrap?

Can someone explain to me what a scrap is? If you collect them, would love to see what they look like.

[Jobu]

I don't have any but have learned enough about them that I think I can explain.

A scrap is a card where the printer made an error and the sheet hit the garbage/scrap pile before being factory cut. Scraps are hand cut, and therefore receive an Authentic grade when slabbed. They were cut out and taken home by the printers. They can have big, fat wavy borders (easier to spot as being scrap) or have borders that are too narrow, cut fairly straight, or no borders at all - these are tougher to spot.

Scraps usually have significant missing colors or significant overprints of one or more other printing layers on them. There are some, like the Lash's Bitters cards, that even have overprints from completely different print jobs on them.

There are a lot of T206 scraps shown in this thread:

http://www.cardtarget.com/cgi-bin/gm...submit=Display

I especially recommend post 7 which shows Leon's Mullaney scrap that was kindly broken down by Chris Browne in the image I have posted (Leon, I know you never get tired of seeing this card on the board so I thought I would post it for you!).

And a cool bit about the Lash's Bitters cards here:

http://www.peachridgeglass.com/2014/...eman-in-a-hat/

Things that do not count as scrap: factory cut cards that are missing a color pass or have a miscut front or back.

I am sure others will have more to add to this.

[Buythatcard]

Bryan,

Thanks for the explanation. There's a lot of talk about T206 scraps but what about other sets? Are there other sets which scraps have been found which seem to bring interest to the collector?

[mrvster]

Well put! I will elaborate more in a little while.....

[Sean]

Bryan explained well, and Johnny will explain more, but here are a few more examples:

This is a Brown/Yellow scrap. Only a few colors were printed before the card was thrown away.


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This one was nearly finished, but is missing the dark blue ink for the background. Also apparently thrown in the trash.


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This one is a "cylander transfer" which caused a back to print in reverse on the front.

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And here is a finished card that was discarded without having anything printed on the back.

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[mrvster]

excellent!

keep 'em coming guys......proud here

[atx840]

[mrvster]

BEAUTIFUL CARDS


of course the big guns out with Leon's scrap multi strike and Sean's scrap Plank

[Leon]

Love those scraps Chris and Sean...

And yes there are scraps from most sets. These '52s and E100s (white) probably are, I would think....but none seem to be as valuable as T206 so far...

[clydepepper]

[QUOTE=Buythatcard;1398112]I hear a lot of talk about scraps especially in the last few days. But just what is a scrap?

Can someone explain to me what a scrap is? If you collect them, would love to see what they look like.[/QUOTE

Here are two more examples of SCRAPS, one a Vintage (1888) Baseball Die-Cut item, the other a modern (2013-14) Hockey insert set (it is also used to describe scrapbook pages.)

From what I have observed on this forum, scraps can refer to lower conditioned cards (also called 'beaters') , the previously mentioned print errors , the 1888 die-cut items or scrapbook pages.

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2013 SCRAPS.jpg

[mrvster]

scraps are cards "created" by the printer accidentally.....most are one of a kinds.....even when similar......kind of like a snowflake

[Buythatcard]

Thanks to all for showing their scraps.

I actually like them and I see why there is an attraction to collecting them.

Do you think the grading companies should include the word "Scrap" on their label?

[MVSNYC]

Here's a few...BTW, I have the SL Hart Upside Down Back for sale on eBay now (plug).

[mrvster]

that hobby has sexy borders! the hart is as rare as brown om or rarer

this one's for you!

[atx840]

[edjs]

Since someone asked for scrap from other sets, I posted my Obak, and wanted to post this, but didn't have the scan on my home computer. Here's an E98 (yes, the image is really Irv, not Cy). Anyone else got E98 scrap? To answer the question, I have no idea if scrap from other sets carry any premium, but I guarantee if there is it is no where near that of T206. The Obak cost less than most PSA 2 T212s, and the E98 was about the cost of any other Young in the same condition.

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by edjs

To answer the question, I have no idea if scrap from other sets carry any premium, but I guarantee if there is it is no where near that of T206. The Obak cost less than most PSA 2 T212s, and the E98 was about the cost of any other Young in the same condition.

When I got those T209s I posted (on eBay around 10 or 15 years ago), they were presented as being badly damaged, and I got them for a correspondingly cheap price. But as several people said in the earlier thread where I posted them, at least the left one would probably fetch a good price today, because it's true scrap with an overprint on the back, apparently from the same sheet as several other T209s now owned by scrap collectors.

[mrvster]

post it!! Ed- great card......you have a great eye....

Sean....interesting..........your Tinker is insane and still makes me drool

Chris, as always you come through! do not take anymore time off!!

[mrvster]

i'll try to get the back posted of Chance....amazingly it's a Piedy

the overprint almost gives Chance a "tattoed face" appearance , something tribal looking...

pretty wild....

Sean...we have true "no namers" here

[atx840]

Amazing proof Jeff!

[Sean]

Hey Jeff, do you know why PSA wrote trimmed on the flip? Do they consider hand cut and trimmed to be the same thing? With a missing color scrap, I just assume it to be hand cut.

[mrvster]

thanks for throwing that in!

for our purposes here......we are referring to the "printer's scrap", especially t206

thanks always for your great input...

JEFF
I truly feel you have one of the best "eyes" in the hobby.....your collection is RIDICULOUS!

truly one of the best collections out there! btw....these scraps are like potato chips, tough to get just one or two

Sean...

one word- CLUELESS!!

psa didn't even know how to grade these back then......all scrap got the label "trimmed" or at least most of them.....back in the day, they didn't even holder blank backs

submit blank backs to psa, they would come back "no holder" or "no voucher" or "factory misprint" and not come back holdered

[mrvster]

btw , the proof is incredible!!!!!

they were originally found in the same collection as the t206 proofs...

I talked to Rob Lifson about the find last year....

was a pleasure....you have a true piece of history there....very impressive sir!

[mrvster]

the ghost image catcher on the back??????????????????????????? of the proof????????????

holy cow! am I seeing things??

[atx840]

Frank, I'm pretty sure that's just a damaged card.

You must have a real scrap tucked away somewhere

[joeadcock]

Chris

Thanks for being the first to answer.
Your wisdom has no bounds..........

[mrvster]

+1~

if even one border was "large" and "wavy" would be a lock as scrap even in that cond!