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circa 1860s Rialto Base Ball club any info?
I'm a coin collector, sent here from one of the coin discussion boards in hopes that someone might have some more info about the Rialto Base Ball club.
I got the attached coin several years ago. This is (was) a two-cent piece. Yes, the US made 2-cent coins, and 3-cent coins also. These 2-cent coins were struck from 1865-1872. The front of this coin was ground off and then engraved for the Rialto B.B.C., with a ball and crossed bats and several pennants. It has a lot of wear on the side with the engraving, so someone kept it in their pocket for a long time. It must have meant something to them. Google has a few references to a very early black club with that name, organized in Detroit in the 1860s. [1] [2]. There are also a mentions to somewhat later clubs in Allentown, Pennsylvania (1907) [3] and Washington, DC (1923-1925) [5], [6], [7] and Seattle (1917) [8] I'd certainly love for this to be a piece of contemporary memorabilia for an 1860s black baseball club. It's a plus that the host coin is from the same period... or it could be just as likely that this coin was kicking around the back of someone's junk drawer and engraved much later. So I have three questions that might or might not have answers... Does anyone have a different or a better candidate for a Rialto Base Ball Club, beyond the ones I found? The bottom of the engraved side of this piece has a P. C. in a border. Does anyone have a candidate for what that might possibly mean? On the reverse of this piece, it looks like the T in CENTS has been intentionally removed. That leaves "2 CEN S"... which doesn't sound like anything to me. Does anyone have a candidate for what "2 CEN S" might mean, in a baseball context? |
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I have nothing to add on the Rialto Club. The "PC" could be a player's initials. My guess is the "T" in cents was unintentionally obliterated at some time. Cool piece.
Last edited by GaryPassamonte; 04-14-2024 at 04:21 AM. |
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I think the PC would be the initials of the engraver (or maybe the initials of the person/romantic interest the etcher gave it to).
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It’s very cool and I also think it is likely the artist initials are the PC.
I want it to be of age and the wear on the coin post engraving towards the edge would suggest so. However, the largest doubt comes from the missing T on the back. It certainly seems intentional and that makes me think it was done for legal reasons. In US code title 18, section 331 it’s well covered that intentionally altering or mutilating coins is illegal. My guess would be the engraver did that as a “cover your ass” maneuver which seems a more modern fantasy artist thing to do. I have no positive proof of age either way, but if I was a buyer I would lean toward fantasy piece because of that “T”. I really like and want it to be of the time, hopefully someone has some good info.
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Quote:
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The first three words of US code title 18, section 331 are "Whoever fraudulently alters..."
There is no fraud here. |
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The wear on this coin prior to engraving would likely not suggest it was done in the 19th century. It could have been in the early 1900s as suggested by the op. I simply do not know, I am only throwing out options. Other than to deface the obverse and show there was nothing but artistic reason for changing the coin I cannot guess of a reason to purposely remove the letter.
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