T206 Coupon type 1 scarcity level?

[Leon]

With all of the talk about T213-1 becoming a T206, where would you put the scarcity level?

1. Ty Cobb - Factory 33 - District 4 - State NC **
2. Old Mill (Brown) - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
3. Broad Leaf - Series 460 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
4. Lenox (Brown) - Factory 30 - District 2 - State NY
5. Drum - Series 350- Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
6. Uzit - Factory 30 - District 2 - State NY
7. Hindu (Red) - Factory 649 - District 1 - State NY
8. Piedmont - Series 350-460 - Factory 42 - District 4 - State NC
9. Blank Back
10. Lenox (Black) - Factory 30 - District 2 - State NY
11. Broad Leaf - Series 350 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
12. Carolina Brights - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
13. Sovereign - Series 460 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
14. Hindu (Brown) - Factory 649 - District 1 - State NY
15. American Beauty - Series 460 - Factory 42 - District 4 - State NC
16. Cycle - Series 460 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
17. Tolstoi - Factory 30 - District 2 - State NY
18. El Principe De Gales - Factory 17 - District 2 - State VA
19. American Beauty (no Frame) - Series 350 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
20. American Beauty (with Frame) - Series 350- Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
21. Cycle - Series 350 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
22. Old Mill (Southern League) - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
23. Sweet Caporal - Series 350-460 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
24. Old Mill (Black) - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
25. Sovereign - Series 350 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
26. Sweet Caporal (Overprint) - Series 150 - Factory 649 - District 1 - State NY
27. Sweet Caporal (Overprint) - Series 350-460 - Factory 42 - District 4 - State NC
28. Sweet Caporal - Series 350-460 - Factory 42 - District 4 - State NC
29. Sovereign - Series 150 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
30. Polar Bear - Factory 6 - District 1 - State OH
31. Sweet Caporal - Series 150 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
32. Sweet Caporal - Series 350 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
33. Piedmont - Series 150 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
34. Sweet Caporal - Series 150 - Factory 30 - District 2 - State NY
35. Sweet Caporal - Series 350-460 - Factory 30 - District 2 - State NY
36. Piedmont - Series 350-460 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA
37. Sweet Caporal - Series 350 - Factory 30 - District 2 - State NY
38. Piedmont - Series 350 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA

[sb1]

In the 8-12 area, not tough enough to rank with 7 or higher and definitely tougher than 13 and lower.

[barrysloate]

I'll say 13-15.

[willworkforT206]

The last few I've seen come to market sold at a premium of about 8x to 10x more than a comparable common backed T206. Such a premium level is similar to, but slightly higher than, the premium for Broad Leaf 350. Therefore, I'd say "COUPON" would fall between Lenox and Broad Leaf 350 on your scarcity chart. (On a side note, I think Lenox and Piedmont Factory 42 should swap places on that chart).

By the way, I picked up my first T213-1 just a month or so ago. It was raw, so I got to hold it in my hand and compare it to another raw T206. Except for the thickness of the paper stock, T213-1 and T206 are identical in every way. Let's just say this long-time T206 collector is officially in the "It's a T206" camp.

Steve

[tedzan]

I would rank the 1910 COUPON cards between DRUM and UZIT (or numerically 5.5) on your list.

There are many reasons for my higher ranking than others who have posted here.
Three reasons are......

In my 33 years (as an adult) in this hobby, I know of only one complete set of 68 cards.

Second, if you check out SGC's Registry, there is only one partial set (of 40) cards in it.

Furthermore, there have been several finds of DRUM, UZIT and Red HINDU cards. I know
of only one find of 1910 COUPON's.


TED Z

[rhettyeakley]

I agree w/ Scott's observation. Between 8-12.

[sb1]

We happen to have two in the upcoming auction. Time will tell how they shake out.

Scott

[caramelcard]

I agree with Scott as well.

I think tougher than broadleaf 350, but not tougher than lenox.

Type 1s are tough because of the thin stock, because collections have likely been lost in floods, hurricanes, etc. but also because Louisiana tobacco set collectors tend to keep to themselves.


Ted,

There are certain cards in the t213-1 set that are much "easier" to find than others.

I completely agree that complete sets would are very hard to come by.

That being said, I know of two complete sets in the hands of two different private collectors. One who is extremely close to all three coupon sets.


Rob

[caramelcard]

Off point, but looking at that list I don't agree with a lot of them anyways.

On this board, we've hashed out several harder backs that aren't sexy so they're overlooked.

This one comes to mind:

23. Sweet Caporal - Series 350-460 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA

[Harford20]

First, as noted by Steve, I would swap the Lenox and the Piedmont Fact 42. Then to answer the initial question, I would place the Coupon Type 1 equal to, or just slightly rarer than the Lenox. Guess that means 7.5-8 for my vote.

[ullmandds]

So you guys choose to have this discussion...one of my favorite topics, while i'm on vacation in SE Asia?!?!

Question...has any set's designation ever been changed from acc designation? I'm guessing not.

I re-cast my vote for coupon type I's inclusion in t206...as well as any other white borders with brown/black type...but would also be ok if all of the different backs were known as separate sets...but...this will never happen...T206 is an institution...perhaps the most well known of all baseball sets ever...it would confuse too many!

I have 3 of them, by the way...1 sgc 40...1 50...and 1 20...and I'd rank them betwen red hindu and lenox as well...great discussion though...perhaps I'll rejoin it in Bali...or in-between thai massages!

[tedzan]

Double post.