Who would you want on the mound T206 era in clutch game?

[CMIZ5290]

Mathewson, Johnson, Cy Young, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh, Addie Joss, or Jack Cesbro? Please feel free to submit another choice....This is for a game that has to be won....

[Bigb13]

I would go with Cy Young

[Peter_Spaeth]

Johnson. No question.

[CMIZ5290]

My answer a couple of years ago would have been Matty. But after a lot of research, W. Johnson without a doubt....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

My answer a couple of years ago would have been Matty. But after a lot of research, W. Johnson without a doubt....

I can't find it but I saw a fascinating analysis of what their numbers would have looked like had Johnson been on the Giant teams and Matty on the Senators. By that analysis Johnson was much much better.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I can't find it but I saw a fascinating analysis of what their numbers would have looked like had Johnson been on the Giant teams and Matty on the Senators. By that analysis Johnson was much much better.

Peter- I would love to see that. Most all of the old time experts that I have spoke with has said he was the greatest of all time....

[pherbener]

My heart says Matty but my head says WaJo. I'm also gonna give a shout out to Smokey Joe Wood.

[goudey1933]

Matty...

[Sean]

Walter Johnson.

Second choice: Mordecai Brown.

[rats60]

For one game, Big Six. For a season or career, Big Train.

[ullmandds]

gotta go with the heat! WAJO!

[CrackaJackKid]

Wajo!!!

[dealme]

I'll take Matty

[FourStrikes]

Sidd Finch - 'cuz NOBODY woulda touched his 168 MPH pitch.

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[T206Collector]

Matty

1905 WS

No question

[Cat]

It would be interesting to know what folks in 1911 or 1912 would have said.

In 1910 Jack Coombs lead the majors with 31 wins and went 3-0 in the World Series win for the Philly A's. He beat Mordecai Brown twice in the WS.

In 1911 he again lead the majors in wins (tied with Alexander with 28) and went 1-0 in their WS win, beating Christy Mathewson.

[darwinbulldog]

Johnson.

[BBB]

3 fingers brown and matty were the win leaders out of that group in 1909 FWIW

Johnson went to the next level in 1910. Some of the others were already tailing out their career by the time T206 hit the shelves.


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[the 'stache]

Walter Johnson, not a doubt in my mind. Second, Christy Mathewson.

Both were fantastic pitchers. You'll get no argument from me that both could dominate, and if I couldn't have The Big Train pitch that game, I'd feel completely comfortable putting Matty on the mound.

Just to throw this out there for discussion purposes:

Christy Mathewson's highest single-season WAR totals:

1908, 11.1
1903, 9.9
1909, 9.2
1905, 9.1
1901, 9.1
1907, 7.6

Walter Johnson's highest single-season WAR totals:

1913, 14.6
1912, 13.5
1914, 11.9
1910, 11.2
1915, 11.2
1919, 10.5
1918, 10.2
1916, 9.7

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Walter Johnson, not a doubt in my mind. Second, Christy Mathewson.

Both were fantastic pitchers. You'll get no argument from me that both could dominate, and if I couldn't have The Big Train pitch that game, I'd feel completely comfortable putting Matty on the mound.

Just to throw this out there for discussion purposes:

Christy Mathewson's highest single-season WAR totals:

1908, 11.1
1903, 9.9
1909, 9.2
1905, 9.1
1901, 9.1
1907, 7.6

Walter Johnson's highest single-season WAR totals:

1913, 14.6
1912, 13.5
1914, 11.9
1910, 11.2
1915, 11.2
1919, 10.5
1918, 10.2
1916, 9.7

Hey There Billy!

I've Always Lov'd Your Outlook...
Your Due Diligence is tuf ta Ignore!

As I mention'd earlier...
Mr. Johnston's Regular Season Performance's were Impeccable!
Howevar, Even Though His Post Season Efforts were Later in his Career,
They "Were WHaT THeY Were!"
And His Season WAR was As Grand As EVaR!!!

WaJo Kinda Reminds me Somewhat of Peyton Manning...
They BoTH were Regular Season Menace's! Post Season Howevar? ~
And as Mention'd by Another Board Member,
Mr. Johnston GiveN uP "2 Bleacher Seat" Home Runs in a Post Season Game,
Shouldn't be Just Written off Because of the Need ta Add Seats!

At the Moment I'm Curious ta What Was Mr. Johnston's Post Season WAR was?
I do Know His ERA was like 2.2x

Ohh, I'm Sure You Notic'd my Long WithstandiN Avatar...
Matty & Wajo (Along wit BiG Ed Walsh!),
Have Always Been My Favorite's!!!

These Awesome Discussion's Are What Our Board were Meant Fir!!!
Don't You Agree Sir!?

Ps... I Also Share Your PassioN fir Film!
Ingrid Bergman's "Gaslight" & "Joan of Ark",
Have BeeN Favorite's of Mine Since I was a wee spit

I'm Also Curious to Your Thoughts oN weather or Not Mr. Braun will Stay iN Milwaukee!?

[irishdenny]

"My Apologies fir the Double Post Folks"

[Mark17]

Walter, and all I need is one run.

After that Alexander, Walsh, and Bender.

Matty was a great pitcher, but he also lost some big games, and Waddell was too erratic. I'd consider Brown over either of them, actually.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Mathewson's post season record was 5-5, just for context. He was 2-5 after his incomparable '05 series.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Mathewson's post season record was 5-5, just for context. He was 2-5 after his incomparable '05 series.

He had a great World Series ERA of under 1, but he did lose the 1908 "playoff" game to Brown, and the final game of the 1912 Series, so when I think of a guy to win a big game, he's not at the top of my list, despite his obvious greatness and general dependability.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Mathewson's post season record was 5-5, just for context. He was 2-5 after his incomparable '05 series.

He gave up less than one run per nine innings. Is it his fault that he didn't get support at the bat or in the field? He was 1-5 in games that he didn't shut out the opponent.
In 1912, he pitched 3 complete games, giving up 3 earned runs in 28.2 innings, but went 0-2 because his defense allowed 8 unearned runs. In the deciding game, Matty had the Giants in position to win, but a dropped fly and dropped pop up, cost the Giants the game. Over his career, his defense gave up as many unearned runs, 11 as Matty gave up earned ones.

[sebie43]

George Mullin. Just kidding, But for one single game. Ed Walsh, spit everywhere

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[glynparson]

The big train

[Bpm0014]

Big Ed Walsh

[Baseball Rarities]

Definitely Johnson with Mathewson and Alexander a fairly distant second and third.